Variable Speed Controls & Motors!?!?!?!?!

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This is HammerFall, i'm totally confused on the setup for what i should use for a motor and speed control on my soon to be "KMG" i have no expriece with electrical motors, i need a little help with what and how. of course i need something with tuorque, something DC so i can control the speed and thats all i know. please help!
 
You can go AC, variable frequency drive also. Its variable speed with supposedly, more torque. It's generally cheaper.

Talk to Rob Frink about this. He is a distributor for some of this stuff, and can supply these needs with your grinder, maybe at a price better than you can find yourself.

This link has specials on AC, VFD. One HP @ $290.00, 2 HP @ $385.00.
http://www.dealerselectric.com/
 
If you know specifically what equipment you want, you request a quote through http://www.a2zindustrialequipment.com/

Ask for a shipping cost estimate with your quote. A number of suppliers usually reply, and you can pick the cheapest or closest to you. I bought my Leeson motor through A2Z and saved shipping costs by picking it up in person.

Also check out Rob Frink's variable speed motor and drive packages. Some nice packages I wish I could afford!
 
OK, here we go. I got the 1 ½ HP motor, 120VDC, with a max RPM 4800, and speed controller with assorted switches and potentiometers delivered to my house for under $100, how can you go wrong with that?

I guess the average AC motor is 27K or 34K something or other RPM.

If you used on a 2” pulley on a 4800 RPM motor with larger diameter pulley on your grinder you would lower your grinder drive shaft RPM, but you would get an increase in torque, is this correct?

What do you think?


:D :D :cool:
 
AC variable frequency. Very nice with full torque through out the speed range. The dealerselectric Mike gives as a link is as cheap as I've seen for a new package like that. No experience with Marathon motor but I use a Teco drive (the phase converter with the speed control) on my disk grinder. Forward, reverse, variable speed from 100% to 0%, motor braking, ramp up and down speed and a couple other features. It takes 230v single phase and converts it to 3 phase for the AC motor. 230 3 phase motors are cheaper than 120v or DC motors. I bought the package, not knowing how the hell to wire it all up. I ended up moving and it sat for some time as I couldn't find any one that would wire it up for me. I tried 3 electricians and two motor dealers. They said it wouldn't work. They couldn't imagine such a small box spitting out 3 phase. Finally I got pissed and thought I'd at least let the smoke out of the thing rather than just sit there and taunt me. I wired it up according to the manual (which is fairly vague) and the plate on the motor. Darn thing took right off. You control the speed with the membrane up or down arrow and not the potentiometer that is there. Not sure why, that's just the way it is. You get used to it. A 1 1/2 hp is enough for the KMG.
 
Hey Tracey, what TECO drive do you have? There's probably a software setting that will allow you to control the speed via the potentiometer. I've got three separate TECO VFDs and they are all very configurable for different options...

HammerFall, the set-up that Pendentive posted several weeks ago is a very cost effective method to use for DC variable speed.

http://tinyurl.com/3fxcz

I personally prefer the AC variable frequency setup myself, but I do have two buffers and four 9" horizontal grinders setup with almost that exact same setup that Dan posted...if I could afford it, I'd have all VFDs, but unfortunately I can't.

:)

-Darren
 
It's a hardware deal on the pot not working. This model, what ever it is, allows some kind of remote control and if you have that, you can use the pot to control the speed, otherwise you have to use the membrane up and down arrows. (That's what the dealer told me when he sold it to me.) Just to test it I set the software switch to enable it and the setting had no affect. I really don't mind on the disk grinder as I rarely change speeds on that. I'd want a different model where the pot works on a regular grinder as I change speeds all the time and the pot is a couple seconds faster to adjust.
 
i need to stick with 120v too, does this limit me at all? i mailed Rob Frink, and he's being very helpfull, hopefully he can answer some more of my questions, thanks guys
 
Hammerfall

If you are restricted to 120V, you will be restricted to motors of about 1hp, maximum. If you connect a bigger motor than that, you will draw more than 15A and trip your circuit breaker. Most AC drives are designed to work with an input voltage of at least 220V. There are very few that will work from 120V since most industrial applications require more power than a 120V connection can provide. A different division of my current employer, Toshiba, does make some that will work from 120V but they are not the most cost effective units on the market. Please note that when running a drive on 120V, one may have to use a drive with a higher rating, say a 2hp, 220V drive on a 1hp, 220V motor. The reason is that the capacitor bank in a 1hp, 220V rated drive may not be big enough to support operation at 120V and the voltage ripple on the internal DC bus gets too big causing the control ciruit to freak out. This may raise your cost somehwat. Please also note that you will be using a 220V, 3-phase motor. The 120V input drives have an input voltage doubling circuit built into them.

Tracey is correct. A propperly designed AC drive will cause the motor to produce almost 100% full rated torque from near zero speed all the way up to 100% rated speed. An AC drive may be used to drive the motor at somewhat over 100% rated speed, although this depends on what your motor will withstand. There is usually some way to control the ramp up speed of motor as well at the maximum motor current. This will reduce the starting surge of the motor significantly from 6 to 8 times the running current to something more reasonable like 2 to 3 times. This will reduce the dimming of the lights when you turn your grinder on.



Tracey

Have you checked the wiring to your pot and the pot itself? Is your drive new or used? Some manufacturers have virtually no protection for the auxilary inputs like this and they can be damaged easily by wrong connections, being shorted or static electricity.

Hope this helps.

Phil
 
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