Various Reference Materials.

lt632ret

lt632ret

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I will be posting on this thread various points of information much of which has been requested over the years. I am acessing a section of the files retrieved from Schrade which I am just now getting to. Postings will vary in content however due to the quantity of material I must sort through I will post as I come across them the first item is a 1971 Belnap cost list. I am posting itbecause it gives the Belknap Number then the Schrade Number and then the then cost. This will allow anyone interested in knowing the Schrade equivilent to the Belknap knives.
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This is another group these are another contract ( in which Schrade made the knives for o0ther companies ) this group shows the Keene Kutter brand and shows the actual Schrade equivilant. There is more I am just taking random pages to get as much as I can listed.
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. I do not know if this info has been posted before I do not think so. It will help if you collect a specific pattern or simply want to research something. It would make interesting info in a book wouldnt it Micheal.
 
Here are the transfer codes for Pennys I gave the sears ones a while back so someone else can list them if they have them.
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So you see if was not just the Schrade knife business that went to China Schrades main business was in contract knives. Perhapes this will lend a better perspective to what we ( this country lost ) when Schrade closed and what this country loses every time we lose another firm. I hope someone will find these postings of use. If this info serves no purpose there is no sense putting it on. It is information for the most part which has been lost again this is not everything but, it is a start. LT
 
Thanks for the informatiom LT.
Maybe we can put it up above in the reference thread...and on Larry's site, if you don't object.

Bill
 
Here are some pictures of a Pennys display with a listing of the knives in the display. This may be used in conjunction with the Schrade numbers and transposed from the Pennys list to give a visual representation of the actual knives and there designations in the pennys line ( kind of a rosetta stone syndrome ).
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. LT
 
Recently the question of Knives made by Ulster ( OT ) which later became Schrade OT patterns or were discontinued. Here is a memo from Henry Baer from April 26, 1972. Which may shed some light on the subject . Note if no one else prints the Schrade Sears number transpositions and someone want them let me know and I will post there is just a limit to time and my ability ( I suppose though my attempts at this would be fun to watch. ( Historical Note this memo was issued 4 days before I joined the NYS Dept of Correction. ) There will be many more pieces of useless information to follow. LT
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Here is a page of the old Ulster line which has probably been posted before. It is time for a nap this thinking stuff makes me all sleepy. LT
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It is now part of eminent domain ( do as you will ) Larry can add it to the 59 floppys I sent him. I hope it serves some purpose. Looking at it now. That Belnap pic is not real great if someone wants ( cannot read ). I will redo it. Do what you want with it woofer ( at least now know someone looked at it. ) LT
 
Lt,
These are great.
The Belknap is a little tough. I for one would love a better copy for the"files"
I had started a open stock sheet prior to the floods and will get back to that too.
Thanks for pulling these from the vault.
Larry.
 
LT that Ulser catalog is showing what looks like a 10OT. Any date on it?
It wasnt in the 60 catalog.
Thanks
 
Excellent stuff, LT. Thanks for taking the time to do all of this.
Phil

ps.. For the past year, I've been collecting Camillus paperwork and displays. It's all a bit cheaper than Schrade, I find it interesting. If any of you haven't stopped in the Camillus forum lately, it's depressing...
 
These are not in a catalogue these are charge sheets and a memo (one catalogue sheet) ( mostly order sheets I will have to try and find it ). the patterns that they had as ulster OT mostly became Schrade OT. Catalogues could be anywhere I run across them for all the years when I come across some of the older ones I will see. Actually I could tell you everything but my source is a super secret and If I told you who knows what could happen. ( Please excuse my cheap shot ). Actually I was never smart enough to keep a secret which is why I hate them. Larry your Belnap pic is corrected it took this genius 5 trys. Yup thats me Mr Machine. I just found a very interesting sheet. I believe I will try to make a contest for it. Since we have not had one in awhile. By the way Larry if my dang pics aint clear enough why don't you canoe your way down for a visit and pick out what you want, and then take it with you. Just kidding please no one get angry. Hope some of this stuff is of interest I will try to find some other junk whoops I mean valuable historical memorbilia and continue to post.

I know it is early but memorial day this year will be hard felt for more familys than ever before please keep these people and all of those who have sacrificed so much so that loudmouths like myself can have the freedom to voice opinions and enjoy all the freedoms that many take for granted. They were paid for in blood do not forget them. LT
 
Thanks for the pictures of the reference sheets LT. Those numbers are very helpful. The Penneys knives don't often surface, at least not that I see yet. I saved the Sears numbers way back when and have been trying to add to them as I can confirm them. The confirming is the hard part, particularly when Sears went to several other sources for their SFOs on folders. Someday maybe we will have a more complete list. Until then, every little bit helps. Thanks again!

Codger
 
You are a good man Micheal you are also welcome to visit and clear some of this sh-- er these historical artifacts out as well. LT PS it is always my pleasure to contribute I hope my little bit helps.
 
Outstanding LT. Keep it coming!

Dale
PS- Thanks for all your trouble. Do you have a scanner?
 
Thanks,LT !!!:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
It's likely impossible to find info like you posted.
Your comments on Memorial Day are very appropriate!
It's probably politically incorrect to teach this country's history in our schools today - leads to "nationalistic" feelings,you know! Wouldn't agree with all this "free" trade and world government shit.Have to get the younger generations prepped for UN rule.
Ron
 
lt632ret said:
You are a good man Micheal you are also welcome to visit and clear some of this sh-- er these historical artifacts out as well. LT PS it is always my pleasure to contribute I hope my little bit helps.
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You don't know how much I wish I could take you up on that offer. I guess some would think of the $$$$ that the documents might bring, but to me, the real value lies in the information presented in them. THIS is the sort of stuff that proves (as much as anything Schrade can be proved) the dates and origins of SFO patterns that many collectors overlook because some retailer's name is stamped on the knives, and there is no proof that the knives are really Schrades.

Even with as many Schrade branded knives as we now know were made over the years, the meat and taters for Schrade was always the special factory order knives. It is the same for Camillus today. Often, the customer had minor adornments or special details added. Sometimes the adornment produced a knife nearly unrecognizable as a Schrade. Documents like these, with even more research, help us all to get a true picture of Schrade's production through the years.

I am amazed and pleased that such documents survived. There is no telling how many sheets like these just went to the dump in 2004. Again, thanks for sharing the information.

Codger
 
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