Venev 1200 OCB vs Naniwa Diamond 3000

lonelyronin · Dec 22, 2019

Hey guys,

I’m thinking about getting a Naniwa Diamond 3000 Stone for finishing after my Venev 800 or 1200 OCB. For those of you who own both does the 3000 from Naniwa leave a finer finish than the Venev stones? Or is it more or less a wash?

DeadboxHero · Dec 22, 2019

lonelyronin said:
Hey guys,

I’m thinking about getting a Naniwa Diamond 3000 Stone for finishing after my Venev 800 or 1200 OCB. For those of you who own both does the 3000 from Naniwa leave a finer finish than the Venev stones? Or is it more or less a wash?

The 3k Naniwa will be a much finer finish.

lonelyronin · Dec 22, 2019

Thanks man that’s good to hear. Or maybe not cause I’ll probably have to spend 200€ on that bad boy in the future haha

Mr.Wizard · Dec 22, 2019

DeadboxHero Is the Naniwa resin noticeably softer by feel?

Gritomatic · Dec 22, 2019

It's strange that the coarser stone makes a finer finish, but possible. Nevertheless, we will start Venev OCB 2000 (1/0 micron) in January.

DeadboxHero · Dec 22, 2019

Mr.Wizard said:
DeadboxHero Is the Naniwa resin noticeably softer by feel?

No, rock hard, they are both hard.

Vitrified has a more Waterstone feel.

Mr.Wizard · Dec 22, 2019

Interesting. Do you know the mechanism by which the 3000 Naniwa stone produces a much finer finish than a resin-bond stone with a similarly hard abrasive that should be roughly J4000? I know cushioned abrasives are one way, hence my question.

DeadboxHero · Dec 23, 2019

Mr.Wizard said:
Interesting. Do you know the mechanism by which the 3000 Naniwa stone produces a much finer finish than a resin-bond stone with a similarly hard abrasive that should be roughly J4000? I know cushioned abrasives are one way, hence my question.

Surface roughness is a huge topic, I feel people get tunnel vision on grit conversations when the other variables such as bond type and consistency play a huge role. I've made countless videos with the 3k Naniwa diamond, it makes a nice bright finish better than the other stones I've used.

Mr.Wizard · Dec 23, 2019

DeadboxHero said:
Surface roughness is a huge topic, I feel people get tunnel vision on grit conversations when the other variables such as bond type and consistency play a huge role.

I agree, and that's why I am trying to improve my understanding.

lonelyronin · Dec 28, 2019

Small update: of course I bought the 3000 from Naniwa... I’m beginning to think I got more of a stone problem than just a knife problem

anyway it does leave a finer finish. Now I’m intrigued by the 800 since Deadbox Hero likes it so much.

Still, the Venev are amazing bang for your buck.