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Court overturns ruling on vets' free lifetime health care
From Terry Frieden
CNN
Tuesday, November 19, 2002 Posted: 3:57 PM EST (2057 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A federal appeals court Tuesday ruled that the U.S. government does not owe free lifetime medical care to World War II and Korean War veterans who agreed to serve 20 years in exchange, despite promises made to them when they were in the armed forces.

The ruling represents a victory for the federal government, which had argued the veterans were not entitled to the benefits. The ruling will potentially save the government billions of dollars in health care costs.

The 9-4 ruling by the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, D.C., overturns a ruling by a three-judge appeals panel in February, 2001, which ruled that the veterans were entitled to the lifetime health care based on the military's promises.

In the opinion issued Tuesday the Court said that action taken this year allows for free care in the future, but that the government is not obligated to pick up the medical expenses incurred from 1995 to 2001.

"Because [the law] at most authorizes space available treatment and not free health insurance for life, we hold that the Air Force Secretary lacked the authority in the 1950s when plaintiffs joined to promise free and full medical care," the Court majority said.

The majority of judges, however, clearly seemed sympathetic to the veterans against whom they ruled.

"We ... can do no more than hope Congress will make good on the promises recruiters made in good faith to plaintiffs and others of the World War II and Korean War era from 1941 to 1956 when Congress enacted its first health care insurance act for military members, excluding older retirees," the court majority said.

In an emotional dissent four judges sided with the veterans.

"If Congress can appropriate billions for this aspect of national defense and not know how it is accounted for, then God save the Republic. Of course Congress knew; of course the service secretaries authorized promises in return for service; of course these military officers served until retirement in reliance, and of course there is a moral obligation to these men," read the dissent.


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What is this world coming to?:(
 
I just had a long reply wrote out on this subject, but deleted it to save you all from my rant. This subject pisses me off to no end. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
What is this world coming to?

Don't fret, the world is just coming to a more rational existence. These veterans are going to get everything they were promised. The court has just used the case to set a worthwhile precedent. They are saying in effect that the courts are not there to create policy.

There has been a great deal of concern lately that portions of our system of justice had become too activist. That courts like the New Jersey Supreme Court on the senate ballot issue, were simply legislating on the fly. This serves as a shot across the bows to that kind of thing. The courts are here to work within the narrow confines of the law. No matter how meritorious the issue (as this clearly is), it is not the court's place to write law.

The veteran's issue will simply get tossed at Congress, which will probably pass an immediate relief package with near unanimous support.

n2s
 
I agree with N2. You can't change the law from the Bench. I think Congress will do something.

I wonder how many ndn's realize the US Government breaks its promises to everyone, the equal opportunity liar?? And we WASP's need to know our government is not our friend, but a neccesary evil that periodically must be disciplined back into compliance.

A bureacracy doesn't care if you've served the Nation or served time in prison.


munk
 
The veteran's issue will simply get tossed at Congress, which will probably pass an immediate relief package with near unanimous support.

I sincerely hope you are right!!!

Will some of you more politically savvy forumites let us know if/when this goes before congress (unless of course its the major news item it deserves to be--then you won't need to). I am going to write to my representatives about this!

To do anything less than honor a promise made to men who laid their lives on the line to protect ours is shameful and disgusting:barf: :mad:

The treatment I get at the VA is worth exactly what I pay for it -- so what's the difference

(didn't see this post before I made mine) God, I don't know which is more depressing...:(
 
I got next to no help from VA evn though there were clearly printed documentation in my service medical record that I should have recieved something for. I'm wondering if Purple Hearts don't make the government liars too. I wound up with a whopping 10%. I felt like telling them to shovel it up somewhere.
 
Bill & Pappy, not disagreeing with you guys, but that VA $7.00 co-pay for drugs looks awful good since my company decided to cut waayyy back on retiree benifits.
 
The VA is a government bureaucracy and the main purpose of such an organization is self promotion, propogation and expansion. Service to and care for vets becomes secondary. But we'll give the devil his dues and admit the copay for meds is a help however I'll toss this in -- what we copay would cover the total cost of the same meds in India or Nepal. I think Prag can verify this. Now I want to know why.
 
The only good thing about the ruling is that it has saved good men and women from the VA Hospitals in this country.

If you have ever been to a VA Hospital, you know what I mean. I wouldn't put a dog in one unless I wanted to kill it. :barf:
 
Was talking with my neighbor last night (retired Army). He WAS working at the VA in Albuquerque. The VA is contracting out all positions except Doctors and Nurses. He was offered a job in house keeping and some other low paid jobs. He no longer works at the VA.

My only experience with the VA: The AF Clinic is attached to the South End of the VA, sharing labs etc. The AF Clinic has two operating rooms and then recovery and recuperation is IN the VA.

A couple of years ago, I had a break/tear in my stomach wall, resulting in large bulge in the middle of my stomach. AF Clinic performed the surgery with active duty personnel, than I was transferred to VA for Recovery etc. Delay in moving me from recovery to a room. Couldn't find a bed for me. Finally did, but the nurse kept telling me , I was some one else. Groggy but still had my wits about me. I had to straighten her out several times. Morning surgery, performing Surgeon checked on me late that afternoon and wanted me to stay overnight. I told him like hell and I wanted a release to go home. He reluctantly issued the release order, than it took me an hour to get a nurse to unhook me from all the stuff they had connected to me.
Slowly walked from the VA to the AF clinic pharmacy to pick up some meds and got a ride home. Sure was glad to get out of there.
 
I get my meds from the VA and that's as far as it goes. If I need to go to a hospital it won't be the VA hospital.
 
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