Vg-1

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I've been thinking about getting some Cold Steel knives in San Mai III lately, but I have found it quite difficult to find any unbiased info on the quality of this steel. As far as I know Cold Steel are the only company that use VG-1, so there isn't loads of info on it. I was just hoping that someone who knows a lot about knife steels good give a quick comparison to other well known steels, is it comparable to VG-10, Aus-8, 440? I would assume for the price that it is fairly good otherwise I can spend my money elsewhere.
 
I have the Cold Steel Sisu in San Mai III in VG-1. I love this knife and I think it is more comparable to VG-10 in edge holding. I think it holds an edge better than my knives in AUS-8A. I think VG-1 is easy to sharpen and I can get the edge super sharp. I also have two Cold Voyagers in VG-1 and I have used them quite a bit and both of them hold there edge really good. I think Cold Steel has a winner with VG-1 and I would buy it over their AUS-8A and Krupp stainless steel any day of the week. I'm not an expert but that has been my experience with VG-1.
 
VG1 holds an edge about as well as VG10, if both are tempered to the same hardness. I measured the hardness of a Cold Steel Voyager in VG1. The blade measured 59.0 HRC.

I found no difference between that VG1 blade and that of a Spyderco Native III VG10 blade, also hardened to a 59. I performed side-by-side comparison testing cutting manila rope.

I also have used both blades for daily use and have seen no difference in edge retention.

VG1, VG10, and 154CM all hold an edge about the same. I cannot tell them apart by edge retention.
 
I've done some informal testing comparing a VG-1 Voyager and a VG-10 Endura 3, and performance is pretty much the same. Their composition is almost identical (the main difference, unless I'm mistaken, is that VG-10 contains cobalt). I'm happy with both steels.
 
I do like the steel. The only knife I had in it was my old Trail Master in San Mai III. I liked it, and used it for about 9 years or so?

I sold it because I had bigger better more expensive choppers.


The steel held a great edge, I thought. It is probably middle ground for edge retention these days (with all the uber steels out there).

The Trailmaster in san mai comes with a full height convex to zero edge. Very well done, and laser sharp.

I much prefer the look of the stacked leather on the Falkniven version (basically looks the same but with Vg10 laminated, and a stacked leather handle).

What knives were you looking at?

One thing to consider, when you are paying for a Cold Steel with the laminated steel, take a look at customs (honestly, in that price range, you can pick up full customs).

Also many manufacturers have a much much better warranty!

Busse, Scrapyard, Swamprat (all from the same "family" world class warranty, with above world class service. Cool, very uniquie designs across the board (use Infi (proprietary steel, uber tough, above average edge retention, and basically stainless), Sr101 (modified ball bearing steel), and Sr77 (modified jack hammer bit steel). All carry a lifetime warranty that follows the knife. They won't replace it if you intentionally break it (ie cut it in half with a band saw), but pretty much any thing else, even when the knife is 20 years old, and you are the 20th owner.

Esse cuttlery (best warranty out there). Use 1095, and have a great following for a reason. Basically an unconditional warranty. Broken for any reason, they will replace it.

Cold steel, "Warranty: We stand behind our knives and swords 100%. We subject them to the highest standards in the industry and strive to make each as perfect as possible. We warrant that our folding knives, fixed blade sheath knives, and swords are free from defects in workmanship and materials."

A close reading of that tells you one thing. Unless there is an obvious, clearly apparent manufacturing defect, and your knife fails, you are sol.

They make a lot of products I still buy. (hawks, folders, shovels etc are all great for the money).
 
I got lucky when I purchased my Cold Steel Sisu a couple of years ago. When they first came out with it I couldn't justify their super high price on it. I finally ordered one directly from them on a big close out sale. I spent less than $130.00. Like I said before I really like the steel but some of the models are just way over priced.
 
Truthfully, at the price of a san mai cold steel, you're better off looking elsewhere. I've never understood why CS thinks their higher end stuff commands such a ridiculous price tag. High end SOG folders are the same way. There are flat out just better knives at that price to spend your money on.
 
It is comparable to VG10. ~1% Carbon, very finely grained. Both made by Takefu
 
My Pendleton hunter ( straight VG-1) has performed great and I have had no problems with it. Seems like a good step up from Aus 8 , but I don't understand Cold Steels' philosophy of putting it in a SanMai centre steel like they do on other knives. Maybe better torsional strength on a longer blade?
I would guess that there isn't a great increase in strength over plain VG-1 , and it seems like a justification for them to charge more money for a knife that has it. I see no difference in cutting performance between my SanMai Master hunter and the Pendleton Hunter.

Both steels seem to cut great , sharpen easily enough , and hold it very well. No chips or bent edges so far with any of their steels I have.
 
It's not for corrosion either, as I have had spotting on the 420J2 (or whatever they use for the outer coating)! :eek:
 
It's not for corrosion either, as I have had spotting on the 420J2 (or whatever they use for the outer coating)! :eek:

I agree. I have no corrosion issues with my CS's , but my Fallkniven A1 ( same outside layer I think) does have some. I still think they are all great servicable knives , but if they were all a homogenous steel of good quality , I'd be happy with that as well. ( probably my wallet also , as they would most likely be less expensive )
:)
 
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