Victoria with a new mystery friend

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Yay, yesterday I found a 'new' old knife in a second-hand shop, a pattern which isn't seen here very often. I wish there were more of these old things to be found, but unfortunately the 'modern' SAK is around for so long that it's very difficult to find them.

It was difficult to open all the tools (but not impossible) and the horrible, gritty sound it made gave me goosebumps. But never underestimate the power of penetrating oil :D After working the joints a bit every tool has a nice snap, which I didn't expect because both ends are pretty banged up.

The newly acquired one is on the left, whereas the right one is a Victoria (the pre-stainless Victorinox) from my great-grandfather. Unfortunately I don't know who made the 'new' one, since there is no tangstamp to be found on anything. At first I assumed it is a Victoria too, due to the overall shape and similar tools. But as Corso pointed out in the EDC thread, there are Kneissler farmer's knives and models from other manufacturers which look very similar, so my guess is as good as yours.
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Both knives have horn covers. The new one is ever so slightly bigger.
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The cork screw was bent outwards quite a bit, which was an easy fix. The blades are heavily sharpened, especially the pen blade which is probably half as wide as it was originally.
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The blades on this one are used, but in very good condition. The scales are a bit cracked, but not all the way through.
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Both have three springs, the thick middle one is used for the main blade and the saw. The Victoria has nice steel liners, I wish the new had them too so it wouldn't be banged up so badly :)
From the looks of it, the original owner used it as a replacement for a hammer :eek:
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Because of the banged up ends the liners were all bent inwards. I bent them back a bit with a wooden wedge, now the tools aren't as cramped together anymore and snap again when closing.
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The fit on this old thing is quite remarkable. The action is still smooth as butter with snaps like a new SAK.
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There are catch-bits on both sides to accompany the main blade and saw.
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The Victoria tang stamp, I think it's from around 1930. Once I found a table with the stamps/years, but who knows where this was :confused:
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Here is a comparison of the saws. They are almost identical to the modern Victorinox saw (top) with two rows of alternating teeth, it is obviously a proven design. The only difference is that the teeth on the Victoria are slanted towards the handle for pull cutting. I kind of wish they were still like this, because I already bent two modern ones when they got stuck while pushing :)
And trust me, these things work beautifully.
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I like how my great-grandfather knew how to take care of his knife, when I got it both blades were still as sharp as a new SAK. Maybe this thing is hereditary but skips two generations :D
I hope you enjoy these kind of different patterns, it brings a bit of variety into all those boring old American knives :) :D kidding, kidding.
If anyone has any additional info or similar knives you are very welcome to post them.
 
Fantastic thread and thanks for the great pics too. What lovely knives and it's really nice that you have your grandfather's Victoria. I saw a list of tang stamps just recently, I think it was somewhere on Bladeforums, but can't remember where it was now. I've a vague feeling Fausto might have posted on that thread, but maybe I'm completely wrong about that :)
 
Both very cool thanks for sharing, that center spring looks massive, also liking the gimlet.
 
Wonderful knives, Sturzi! I know little about the early history of Victorinox, except Victoria was perhaps the inventor's daughter?
Thanks for the great pictures and descriptions!
 
Those are incredible. I can't imagine the feeling of finding one of those just waiting to be taken home and loved.
 
I too appreciate your comparison work on these wonderful knives. I will keep my eye open for one now. It looks to be a fine combination of blades/tools and capability in a small package.
 
those are wonderful, what second hand shops do you go to!

thanks for the pictures and comparison.
 
Great to see something a little less common like you say...and two together, well thats something special, especially with one being a family heirloom!

I do love the look and pattern of that old Victoria. A handy set of tools on both to be fair though.
I wish they had kept that pull-style of saw too, and the nail nick.

Thanks for taking the time.
 
Yay, yesterday I found a 'new' old knife in a second-hand shop, a pattern which isn't seen here very often. I wish there were more of these old things to be found, but unfortunately the 'modern' SAK is around for so long that it's very difficult to find them.

It was difficult to open all the tools (but not impossible) and the horrible, gritty sound it made gave me goosebumps. But never underestimate the power of penetrating oil :D After working the joints a bit every tool has a nice snap, which I didn't expect because both ends are pretty banged up.

The newly acquired one is on the left, whereas the right one is a Victoria (the pre-stainless Victorinox) from my great-grandfather. Unfortunately I don't know who made the 'new' one, since there is no tangstamp to be found on anything. At first I assumed it is a Victoria too, due to the overall shape and similar tools. But as Corso pointed out in the EDC thread, there are Kneissler farmer's knives and models from other manufacturers which look very similar, so my guess is as good as yours.
Old_Knives_01_small_zps55c00fd3.jpg


Both knives have horn covers. The new one is ever so slightly bigger.
Old_Knives_02_small_zpscc822ca8.jpg


The cork screw was bent outwards quite a bit, which was an easy fix. The blades are heavily sharpened, especially the pen blade which is probably half as wide as it was originally.
Old_Knives_03_small_zpsbaa8e976.jpg


The blades on this one are used, but in very good condition. The scales are a bit cracked, but not all the way through.
Old_Knives_04_small_zps4c681ac8.jpg


Both have three springs, the thick middle one is used for the main blade and the saw. The Victoria has nice steel liners, I wish the new had them too so it wouldn't be banged up so badly :)
From the looks of it, the original owner used it as a replacement for a hammer :eek:
Old_Knives_05_small_zpsaa00a772.jpg


Because of the banged up ends the liners were all bent inwards. I bent them back a bit with a wooden wedge, now the tools aren't as cramped together anymore and snap again when closing.
Old_Knives_06_small_zps0555c9b6.jpg


The fit on this old thing is quite remarkable. The action is still smooth as butter with snaps like a new SAK.
Old_Knives_07_small_zps7d27ce97.jpg


There are catch-bits on both sides to accompany the main blade and saw.
Old_Knives_08_small_zpsf87ad1a1.jpg


The Victoria tang stamp, I think it's from around 1930. Once I found a table with the stamps/years, but who knows where this was :confused:
Old_Knives_09_small_zps0ed19d5f.jpg


Here is a comparison of the saws. They are almost identical to the modern Victorinox saw (top) with two rows of alternating teeth, it is obviously a proven design. The only difference is that the teeth on the Victoria are slanted towards the handle for pull cutting. I kind of wish they were still like this, because I already bent two modern ones when they got stuck while pushing :)
And trust me, these things work beautifully.
Old_Knives_10_small_zps6c7add0d.jpg


I like how my great-grandfather knew how to take care of his knife, when I got it both blades were still as sharp as a new SAK. Maybe this thing is hereditary but skips two generations :D
I hope you enjoy these kind of different patterns, it brings a bit of variety into all those boring old American knives :) :D kidding, kidding.
If anyone has any additional info or similar knives you are very welcome to post them.

Really nice.
I have not had your good fortune in finding treasures such as this.
Congratulations.
 
Wonderful knives indeed. Your new mystery knife do reminds a 2 blades jack from Kneissler I used to have, in shape, handles and bolsters but on the other hand it looks to elaborate to Kneissler. Since Kneissler is steel producing you might send them a photo and inquire.
Mike
 
Wonderful knives, Sturzi! I know little about the early history of Victorinox, except Victoria was perhaps the inventor's daughter?
Thanks for the great pictures and descriptions!

Hello Charlie,
Victoria was the name of the mother of the founder, Karl Elsener. When she died, on 1909, Karl gave the name of the mother to the Company. On 1921, when the blade begins to be made in stainles steel ("acier inoxidable", in French language), the name was moved trough Victoria + inox = "Victorinox".
Alfredo
 
Fantastic! That's great info, nice to be able to date it exactly eh Sturzi? :)

Interestingly, I just checked my Victorinox-made Mauser Officers Knife, which I got in 1982, and it has the 1952 markings.
 
Thank you very much guys.

Both very cool thanks for sharing, that center spring looks massive, also liking the gimlet.

It is massive indeed, but the pull is the same as the other ones. I still have to try the gimlet (thanks for that, another word learned :) ).

those are wonderful, what second hand shops do you go to!

thanks for the pictures and comparison.

This is actually the first old knife I found in a second-hand store which wasn't the standard army knife (and the condition of those usually is pretty bad). But it feels good to finally find something after looking at all the beauties you guys find at flea markets etc :D

Wonderful knives indeed. Your new mystery knife do reminds a 2 blades jack from Kneissler I used to have, in shape, handles and bolsters but on the other hand it looks to elaborate to Kneissler. Since Kneissler is steel producing you might send them a photo and inquire.
Mike

Good idea. I could also send one to Victorinox. I know they have a museum as well as a workshop to restore their old knives.

Hello,
your knife (congrats) it's exactely form 1931

Very cool Alfredo, that's exactly the table I was looking for, thanks.

Fantastic! That's great info, nice to be able to date it exactly eh Sturzi? :)

Interestingly, I just checked my Victorinox-made Mauser Officers Knife, which I got in 1982, and it has the 1952 markings.

Yep, the info on this forum is just incredible :thumbup:
I wonder, are those just the dates when the trademarks were introduced? I suppose most of them were used for longer than one year, which would mean it is not older than 1931.
 
You may find blade whit the mark of i.e. 1952 also in a knife made in i.e. 1953. This because the stamped blades were, obviously, not putted on the garbage if unused, but placed on the followed models of knives. That of course is regarding just few knives.
 
... a Victoria (the pre-stainless Victorinox) from my great-grandfather.

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I like how my great-grandfather knew how to take care of his knife, when I got it both blades were still as sharp as a new SAK.

Your great-grandfather's knife is fantastic! Thanks so much for sharing. :thumbup:

I hope you enjoy these kind of different patterns, it brings a bit of variety into all those boring old American knives :) :D kidding, kidding.

Getting to see traditional knives from around the globe is one of the best things about this folksy little corner of the internet!

-- Mark
 
Sturzi, Those are GORGEOUS! And I agree, a pull saw on a pocketknife just makes more sense. ;)
Hello Charlie,
Victoria was the name of the mother of the founder, Karl Elsener. When she died, on 1909, Karl gave the name of the mother to the Company. On 1921, when the blade begins to be made in stainles steel ("acier inoxidable", in French language), the name was moved trough Victoria + inox = "Victorinox".
Alfredo
Alfredo, thank you for this bit of history. So these two examples owned by Sturzi are both very old, and rare forerunners to Victorinox? WOW! :eek: :)
-Bruce
 
Sturzi, Those are GORGEOUS! And I agree, a pull saw on a pocketknife just makes more sense. ;)

Alfredo, thank you for this bit of history. So these two examples owned by Sturzi are both very old, and rare forerunners to Victorinox? WOW! :eek: :)
-Bruce

I may speak just about the knife whit the Victorinox stamped blade (the other one is old, for sure, but in absence of a some mark it's impossible to say what brand is for me).
The Victorinox blade is marked whit the Victorinox brand mark introduced on 1931. That mark was changend on 1943, so the knife of Sturzi is from the period 1931-1942.
 
The original post as well as the thread are what makes this forum the most interesting. Of course, I must not forget the people who populate this forum, some of the best.
Makes it a joy to come here daily.
 
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