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For me, I had to check this out from my friend only to look at it to compare to the other FMA vids I've bought. Hindsight says: well, did not have to check it out. No real new drills/techniques shown that has not been shown already or that cannot be created. Their combos (12 methods) and their angles of attack are just another way to do the same things we already do. You say toe-may-toe and I say toe-mar-toe. Nothing special. Actually one thing special was a right hander (Elmer Ybanez) using stick and knife in opposite hands, i.e., knife in right hand and stick in left hand, whereas most would be the opposite. I do not remember it being explained why on the vid, but vaguely recall Crafty Dog posting to ED about the significance of this style due to founder/creator (Benjamin Luna-Lema) being left-handed and the drills he learned.
Vid content follows:
LIGHTNING SCIENTIFIC ARNIS
Elmer Ybanez
~73 mins.
BASIC STANCES
Straddle Like Chinese Martial Arts horse stance but instead of looking squarely on, you are looking over one leg
Front 70% weight on lead foot/30% weight on rear foot
Back 30% weight on lead foot/70% weight on rear foot
The term "basic stances" is misleading in LSA. It is not an on-guard stance per se, but a stance being identified after footwork or a strike or a block. Not a static concept, but a transitioning concept.
BASIC FOOTWORK
Reverse Triangle (aka female triangle)
Cambio (sp?) take 1st step into lead spot then have rear leg in point next step, go into lead then go back
Seguida step and slide
Ybanez proceeds to show the various combinations of footwork and basic stances. After the footwork, he points out, the basic stances. It could be you seguida forward and avoided a blow by leaning back, there you have a back stance, or you lean into following one of your strikes - that's a forward stance, etc.
13 BASIC STRIKES
#1 forehand slash to left temple
#2 backhand slash to right elbow or right hip
#3 forehand slash to left elbow or left hip
#4 backhand slash to right shoulder
#5 forehand thrust to solar plexus ends in uppercut motion
#6 backhand slash to right temple
#7 forehand thrust to left chest
#8 backhand thrust to right chest
#9 backhand slash to right knee
#10 forehand slash to left knee
#11 backhand thrust to right eye
#12 forehand thrust to left eye
#13 backhand redondo start square to opponent
THE 12 METHODS
12 basic combinations of strikes
#1 - #1, #6 strikes
#2 inside sweep (aka inside deflection), left hand checks, rechamber stick for #1 (application of Espada y Daga)
#3 inside sweep (aka inside deflection), left hand checks, payon (sp?) block (commonly known as umbrella, but not the Dog Brothers' umbrella) (application of Espada y Daga)
#4 - #1, backhand witik, #6 down to ground
#5 - #1, backhand witik, #6 lobtik
#6 - #1, backhand witik, backhand redondo, #6 down to ground
#7 - #1, backhand witik, backhand redondo, #6 lobtik
#8 - #1, backhand witik, #6 down to ground, figure 8 strike
#9 - #1, backhand witik, #6 lobtik, figure 8 strike (my notes are scribbled here, cannot make it out and returned vid to my friend already, so I could be wrong on this one)
#10 forehand doblete (#1 + redondo in one stroke), #6 lobtik, upward figure 8
#11 forehand doblete, backhand doblete (aka reverse doblete), #6 lobtik
#12 inside sweep (aka inside deflection), left hand checks, low backhand, backhand redondo with hand as target and forehand chamber stick over shoulder = 4 strikes close quarters, similar to #2 and #3 method
Ybanez narrates off screen and his 2 students demonstrate the 12 Methods. When drilling, it looked like the first set of any of the 12 methods was method 1 and subsequent sets would be the current method they were drilling, e.g., when drilling 12th method 1st set would be 1st method and afterwards, it would be a few sets of the 12th method. Not sure of the significance of this, other than to point out that the first method is the most important and not to forget it or all combos flow after the first method.
Also, upon ending the drill of a set, the finishing motions were a backhand half upward figure 8 on the 2nd to last count and the last count would be to rechamber over right shoulder. Methods 2, 3, and 12 were broken up into counts, therefore the inside sweep was not one fluid motion, but done as 2 separate counts, the block, and the follow-through.
THE 11 BASIC BLOCKS
Vs. #1 - #1
Vs. #6 - #6
Vs. #10 - #10
Vs. #9 - #9
Vs. #5 thrust inside sweep
Vs. backhand thrust to chest outside sweep
Vs. rear right knee lobtik backhand redondo
Vs. thrust to stomach inside down block
Vs. unexpected strike step back, backhand redondo, step forward
Vs. head strike umbrella
Vs. head strike roof
Mainly meet the force blocks by executing the same strike as the attack.
APPLICATION
Short segment on applications standard fare.
BIGAY-TAMA
- Free-flow, no pattern drill
- 3 levels = defense only, defense and counter, advanced strikes
- can feed double sticks vs. one stick, slow at first, then add power later
- can feed Espada y Daga (although Ybanez demonstrated using stick and dagger instead) vs. single stick
Here they get to show off a bit by gradually going full power and full speed.
NOTES:
1) The dagger was in the right hand and not the left not sure of the significance of this, other than that GM Benjamin Luna-Lema is left-handed, so when Ybanez was feeding his student, despite Ybanez being right-handed, he had the knife in his left. Also, I vaguely recall something Crafty Dog posted to Eskrima Digest about his experience with GM Luna-Lema and his left-handedness. It had an effect on Crafty Dog.
2) Guro Ybanez's accent was kind of thick. Some things said, I did not understand immediately especially umbrella block and doblete, it was not until he demonstrated did I understand.
3) Although from the content of the video, it seemed to be aimed at beginners, the lack of instruction during certain points suggests it's more of exposing the system to the public and for beginners to intermediate.
If anyone has seen this and found some insights from it, please enlighten me. Overall a good overview of the style. Good production and sound. I would recommend this to beginners (with a little FMA experience) to intermediate.
HTH.
Hy
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"...grappling happens. It just does." - Top Dog
For me, I had to check this out from my friend only to look at it to compare to the other FMA vids I've bought. Hindsight says: well, did not have to check it out. No real new drills/techniques shown that has not been shown already or that cannot be created. Their combos (12 methods) and their angles of attack are just another way to do the same things we already do. You say toe-may-toe and I say toe-mar-toe. Nothing special. Actually one thing special was a right hander (Elmer Ybanez) using stick and knife in opposite hands, i.e., knife in right hand and stick in left hand, whereas most would be the opposite. I do not remember it being explained why on the vid, but vaguely recall Crafty Dog posting to ED about the significance of this style due to founder/creator (Benjamin Luna-Lema) being left-handed and the drills he learned.
Vid content follows:
LIGHTNING SCIENTIFIC ARNIS
Elmer Ybanez
~73 mins.
BASIC STANCES
Straddle Like Chinese Martial Arts horse stance but instead of looking squarely on, you are looking over one leg
Front 70% weight on lead foot/30% weight on rear foot
Back 30% weight on lead foot/70% weight on rear foot
The term "basic stances" is misleading in LSA. It is not an on-guard stance per se, but a stance being identified after footwork or a strike or a block. Not a static concept, but a transitioning concept.
BASIC FOOTWORK
Reverse Triangle (aka female triangle)
Cambio (sp?) take 1st step into lead spot then have rear leg in point next step, go into lead then go back
Seguida step and slide
Ybanez proceeds to show the various combinations of footwork and basic stances. After the footwork, he points out, the basic stances. It could be you seguida forward and avoided a blow by leaning back, there you have a back stance, or you lean into following one of your strikes - that's a forward stance, etc.
13 BASIC STRIKES
#1 forehand slash to left temple
#2 backhand slash to right elbow or right hip
#3 forehand slash to left elbow or left hip
#4 backhand slash to right shoulder
#5 forehand thrust to solar plexus ends in uppercut motion
#6 backhand slash to right temple
#7 forehand thrust to left chest
#8 backhand thrust to right chest
#9 backhand slash to right knee
#10 forehand slash to left knee
#11 backhand thrust to right eye
#12 forehand thrust to left eye
#13 backhand redondo start square to opponent
THE 12 METHODS
12 basic combinations of strikes
#1 - #1, #6 strikes
#2 inside sweep (aka inside deflection), left hand checks, rechamber stick for #1 (application of Espada y Daga)
#3 inside sweep (aka inside deflection), left hand checks, payon (sp?) block (commonly known as umbrella, but not the Dog Brothers' umbrella) (application of Espada y Daga)
#4 - #1, backhand witik, #6 down to ground
#5 - #1, backhand witik, #6 lobtik
#6 - #1, backhand witik, backhand redondo, #6 down to ground
#7 - #1, backhand witik, backhand redondo, #6 lobtik
#8 - #1, backhand witik, #6 down to ground, figure 8 strike
#9 - #1, backhand witik, #6 lobtik, figure 8 strike (my notes are scribbled here, cannot make it out and returned vid to my friend already, so I could be wrong on this one)
#10 forehand doblete (#1 + redondo in one stroke), #6 lobtik, upward figure 8
#11 forehand doblete, backhand doblete (aka reverse doblete), #6 lobtik
#12 inside sweep (aka inside deflection), left hand checks, low backhand, backhand redondo with hand as target and forehand chamber stick over shoulder = 4 strikes close quarters, similar to #2 and #3 method
Ybanez narrates off screen and his 2 students demonstrate the 12 Methods. When drilling, it looked like the first set of any of the 12 methods was method 1 and subsequent sets would be the current method they were drilling, e.g., when drilling 12th method 1st set would be 1st method and afterwards, it would be a few sets of the 12th method. Not sure of the significance of this, other than to point out that the first method is the most important and not to forget it or all combos flow after the first method.
Also, upon ending the drill of a set, the finishing motions were a backhand half upward figure 8 on the 2nd to last count and the last count would be to rechamber over right shoulder. Methods 2, 3, and 12 were broken up into counts, therefore the inside sweep was not one fluid motion, but done as 2 separate counts, the block, and the follow-through.
THE 11 BASIC BLOCKS
Vs. #1 - #1
Vs. #6 - #6
Vs. #10 - #10
Vs. #9 - #9
Vs. #5 thrust inside sweep
Vs. backhand thrust to chest outside sweep
Vs. rear right knee lobtik backhand redondo
Vs. thrust to stomach inside down block
Vs. unexpected strike step back, backhand redondo, step forward
Vs. head strike umbrella
Vs. head strike roof
Mainly meet the force blocks by executing the same strike as the attack.
APPLICATION
Short segment on applications standard fare.
BIGAY-TAMA
- Free-flow, no pattern drill
- 3 levels = defense only, defense and counter, advanced strikes
- can feed double sticks vs. one stick, slow at first, then add power later
- can feed Espada y Daga (although Ybanez demonstrated using stick and dagger instead) vs. single stick
Here they get to show off a bit by gradually going full power and full speed.
NOTES:
1) The dagger was in the right hand and not the left not sure of the significance of this, other than that GM Benjamin Luna-Lema is left-handed, so when Ybanez was feeding his student, despite Ybanez being right-handed, he had the knife in his left. Also, I vaguely recall something Crafty Dog posted to Eskrima Digest about his experience with GM Luna-Lema and his left-handedness. It had an effect on Crafty Dog.
2) Guro Ybanez's accent was kind of thick. Some things said, I did not understand immediately especially umbrella block and doblete, it was not until he demonstrated did I understand.
3) Although from the content of the video, it seemed to be aimed at beginners, the lack of instruction during certain points suggests it's more of exposing the system to the public and for beginners to intermediate.
If anyone has seen this and found some insights from it, please enlighten me. Overall a good overview of the style. Good production and sound. I would recommend this to beginners (with a little FMA experience) to intermediate.
HTH.
Hy
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"...grappling happens. It just does." - Top Dog
