VIDEO: Spyderco ZDP-189 hard cutting/retention test

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I just got done editing the video (had to shorten it). Did a lot of cutting with the Spyderco Stretch II ZDP-189 and had a LOT of fun. This steel is really impressive stuff! Even though I thinned the edge out considerably, it kept cutting like a champ. Hope you enjoy! Sorry it is kind of long, but I wanted to show how much cutting I did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_b9aF2dLM
 
Thanks guys. I still need to take some higher resolution photos of the edge to show how it looks (I think it looks quite good compared to my expectations).
 
unit not only did you cut some tuff stuff , your area of the cuts was where the tire wall was very thick. i really want to review your sharpening methods. think i'll try a cardboard test today later using 2 new enduras in vg10- one polished edge & one factory mint edge. since you're really getting into this may i suggest a pair of lightweight leather gloves? thanks for all this effort maybe we can get more members to start cutting.
dennis p.s. do you have a vette or a porsche?
 
Thanks Dennis, I often do wear gloves, but I really wanted to experience the cuts...using gloves can mute the expression of a dulling blade to the observer. It is all very subjective, and everyone would be well advised to ignore me in this regard and opt for safety!

I would be happy to discuss and review my sharpening methods...I really wish I could take some better photos...I got the light just right in this one to highlight the edge and the degradation to it. It almost looks like a wire edge at this point! Very interesting.

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No, my car is pretty modest, but I have access to some sweet rides (good friends are wonderful to have!) I have access to some runflat tires too...those are UNBELIEVABLY tough to cut.

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Edit to add sharpening methods/progression for those interested:

Reprofiled on an adjustable wedge (I posted a video a while back on how to make a wedge like this if anyone is interested...I'm working on a new video that shows the new model that is quite improved over the one in the current video) that was set at an angle of 6.6 degrees. I hold the knife flat (or reasonably so and stroke the stones to reprofile and sharpen). Some have pointed out that I may have error in my angles due to my inability to hold the knife flat...perhaps this is true, so I am measuring things today. The edge bevel looks to have only very minimal convex (owing to my inability to hold PERFECTLY, but I think it is fairly good?).

I started with a DMT XC (do not yet own the XXC) and profiled the knife with stones at 6.6 degrees from horizontal. I used an iPhone application to measure the angles...calibrated and measured 4 different ways to attempt to reduce error (used the back of the phone then turned the phone 180 degrees, then used the flat side of the phone and again turned it 180, then made sure the angles were consistent). Anal, yes...I try to be thorough.

Then I progressed through the DMT stones (coarse, Fine, Xfine, XXfine), I did edge testing during each stone to verify that the edge was coming along (it was shaving off the XC stone and whittling hair off the fine). Then I did some Kevlar cutting tests and discovered some minor imperfections in the edge...

So the next day, I went back to the coarse stone (I think...I may not recall correctly), then progressed through the XXfine DMT again. I probably did a few hundred feather touch passes on the XXF stone (3 micron DMT) then I went to the leather strop loaded with green compound. I started with 100 passes per side, then flipped and repeated, then 50, then 25, then 10, then 5, then perhaps 100 more alternating sides each stroke. When I use the strop, I go completely free hand (set one end of the strop on my knee and the other is supported with my left hand). It seems to go much faster this way. During this procedure I start with very low pressure and let the diamonds work and ease up toward the end with each stone to approximately the weight of the knife (best I can tell).

My sharpening is good, but not as pretty as some of the stuff I see posted here. I consider myself in a constant state of learning...I have a little ways to go as I see it. Some day I want to see sparks on my edge for atoms splitting as I wave the knife around LOL.
 
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Very cool video. :thumbup:

ZDP-189 is some awesome steel, I have experienced the same thing with my Endura 4 FFG in ZDP-189. It holds an edge forever and a hair popping edge for a very long time.

It still popped hair after cutting this Styrofoam tub. :thumbup:



 
Very cool video. :thumbup:

ZDP-189 is some awesome steel, I have experienced the same thing with my Endura 4 FFG in ZDP-189. It holds an edge forever and a hair popping edge for a very long time.

It still popped hair after cutting this Styrofoam tub. :thumbup:

Wow, those are some nice photos. The background looks like the setting I would like to be in right about now (they have an "autumn feel" and look to be in the woods). Great stuff.

I am most likely going to procure an Endura in ZDP next. I can think of some harder use platforms I would love to see this steel offered in, but I really can not complain about the Endura or Stetch for what I do with it.

Thanks
 
Wow, those are some nice photos. The background looks like the setting I would like to be in right about now (they have an "autumn feel" and look to be in the woods). Great stuff.

I am most likely going to procure an Endura in ZDP next. I can think of some harder use platforms I would love to see this steel offered in, but I really can not complain about the Endura or Stetch for what I do with it.

Thanks

Thanks. :D

I would love to see a Military and or Para 2 offered. :thumbup:

I would be all over that like white on rice. :D :thumbup:
 
Thanks. :D

I would love to see a Military and or Para 2 offered. :thumbup:

I would be all over that like white on rice. :D :thumbup:

I need to put in a word to Sal...I would LOVE to see the Military 2 in this steel. I have no idea what the thing will even look like, but I assume that it will have a killer new lock, and offer tip up carry.

Those poor Spyderco guys...constantly inundated with kids like me whining about wanting new toys to play with.
 
I need to put in a word to Sal...I would LOVE to see the Military 2 in this steel. I have no idea what the thing will even look like, but I assume that it will have a killer new lock, and offer tip up carry.

Those poor Spyderco guys...constantly inundated with kids like me whining about wanting new toys to play with.

That might be nice. :)

The current Liner and Compression locks are just fine IMO and plenty strong for their intended use with the thin blades. The blades on both models will snap long before the locks give out on the current models. :thumbup:

They could do a frame lock though.
 
unit thanks for all the info on sharpening. i do'nt think i want to work that hard.my dexterity is'nt as capable as yours. going to order the apex edge pro.you guys are really starting to roll with the cutting, it's certainly one of the most entertaining subjects on the forum.
dennis
 
unit thanks for all the info on sharpening. i do'nt think i want to work that hard.my dexterity is'nt as capable as yours. going to order the apex edge pro.you guys are really starting to roll with the cutting, it's certainly one of the most entertaining subjects on the forum.
dennis

You are quite welcome! I hear great things about the Apex. I enjoy the videos too, I just do not want to see anyone get cut!

Thanks again!
Ken (aka unit, aka ewerstruly)
 
ken your concerns about injury to members is certainly welcomed. so-lo & yourself are ready putting the muscle to those knives & one slip could be serious. icut some 275 lb. burst strength cardboard today wearing gloves & that stuff made the endura hot in 7 cuts.
dennis
 
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