Vikings

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Does anyone still watch Vikings on the History channel? I stopped for a few episodes. IMHO, it got kind of boring. I watched the last episode and watched Ragnar kick the bucket. I wonder where the Saxons got all those snakes. The only poisonous snake in England is the Adder and it's not very aggressive. Oh, wait, I am considering that the show is historically accurate. ;)
 
I watched the whole first season and bailed after episode 2 of Season 2. The story line was starting to go way too weird and convoluted for me.
 
I have watched quite a few episodes in no particular order. I really should binge watch them from the start. Perhaps I'll get to that soon. From what I've seen, Ivar is my favorite character.
 
Does anyone still watch Vikings on the History channel? I stopped for a few episodes. IMHO, it got kind of boring. I watched the last episode and watched Ragnar kick the bucket. I wonder where the Saxons got all those snakes. The only poisonous snake in England is the Adder and it's not very aggressive. Oh, wait, I am considering that the show is historically accurate. ;)

Had St. Patrick visited yet? If not, they got them from Ireland, of course!
 
Does anyone still watch Vikings on the History channel? I stopped for a few episodes. IMHO, it got kind of boring. I watched the last episode and watched Ragnar kick the bucket. I wonder where the Saxons got all those snakes. The only poisonous snake in England is the Adder and it's not very aggressive. Oh, wait, I am considering that the show is historically accurate. ;)

Our main Vikings thread was in Current Events last February.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1369866-History-s-Vikings?highlight=Vikings

It isn't hidden from history, but it is hidden from Google and I had to use the Forums advanced search to find it. Perhaps a Valkyrie dusted it.

Vipera berus, the common European adder, is venomous but not excessively venomous and not aggressive. If you step on one, it will strike and try to escape. If bitten you will probably live (unless you are allergic to venom) but the bite is extremely painful and can take a year to heal. If an insane warlord kept an adder pit and threw you in, you would be bitten many times and die an agonizing death.

Ragnar_Lodbroks_d%C3%B6d_by_Hugo_Hamilton.jpg


Too gratuitously violent for me. I just watch the documentaries
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...93601899827128FE5F6B9360189982712&FORM=VRDGAR
[video=youtube;bcgIlVxdEuA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcgIlVxdEuA[/video][video=youtube;4tJ5ipltAzw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tJ5ipltAzw[/video]

Check out Neil Oliver's Scotland, Ancient Britain & also Time Team on youtube etc

Documentaries are based on three kinds of documents: artifacts studied by archaeologists, oral traditions studied by anthropologists, and written records studied by historians. Vikings is based on two 13th century Norse sagas, Ragnars saga Loðbrókar (The Tale of Ragnar Lodbrok) and Ragnarssona þáttr (The Tale of Ragnar's Sons), Saxo Grammaticus's 12th century history Gesta Danorum (Deeds of the Danes), and episodes from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle and Ahmad ibn Fadlan (source of The 13th Warrior) which are not Ragnar related, but are true to the period and great cinema. They are the written historical record which has come down to us. They were not written as we write history, but they are better than no written record or one we cannot decipher. You can only go so far on broken pottery.

"Gratuitous" is uncalled for, lacking good reason, or unwarranted. Is the violence in Vikings gratuitous? The sagas are as violent as the TV series, so the violence in the later is not ladled in without good reason. But reading is not the same as seeing, and some will not want to see this. It reminds me of Elem Klimov's film Come and See, about a 15 year-old boy's encounter with the 36th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS in the woods of Soviet Byelorussia. It was based on Klimov's wartime experiences, which he described as follows:

As a young boy, I had been in hell. The city was ablaze up to the top of the sky. The river was also burning. It was night, bombs were exploding, and mothers were covering their children with whatever bedding they had, and then they would lie on top of them. Had I included everything I knew and shown the whole truth, even I could not have watched it.
 
Gee, thanks for the lecture, Wet Floor.

Historian Katherine Holman, however, concludes that "although his sons are historical figures, there is no evidence that Ragnar himself ever lived, and he seems to be an amalgam of several different historical figures and pure literary invention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar_Lodbrok
As real as King Arthur or Robin Hood.

And fictional violence can be more effective when suggested than displayed.
 
And everyone needs to remember that the show is made by a TV production company for entertainment, not historical accuracy.

To quote Helen Shaver, director of Revolution Season 2, episode 4,, on the occasion of 3 Assistant Directors hammering out a scene for nearly 2 hours.....

""My f..... g.., people. It's not an f...... documentary. It's an f...,. TV show. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ACCURATE!!!! as she threw her script in the air and walked off.

It then took 10 minutes to shoot the scene, most of which was spent getting people out of the few shady spots and into position.

No TV show is ever 100% accurate, even documentaries. Inaccuracies are a combination of artistic license, availability of resources (including money and time), perception/knowledge/preconceived notions of the directors and what the production company thinks will attract viewers and bring in money.

Since actually working on TV shows, I have changed my attitudes and perceptions of what to expect from them. It has made watching even bad shows more entertaining. :D
 
Historian Katherine Holman, however, concludes that "although his sons are historical figures, there is no evidence that Ragnar himself ever lived, and he seems to be an amalgam of several different historical figures and pure literary invention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar_Lodbrok

Your historian and (I'm guessing) every historian since the Enlightenment. Medieval Christian monks wrote down an oral tradition centuries after the event. I doubt they believed everything they recorded. How could they? They were trying to preserve what remained of their society's history, and to understand a bygone way of life.

As real as King Arthur or Robin Hood.

More real. "Ragnar's sons" Ivar the Boneless, Björn Ironside, Halfdan Ragnarsson, Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye, and Ubba were historical figures in our sense of history. They raised a great Viking army, invaded the British Isles, and made war upon the inhabitants for fourteen years.

And fictional violence can be more effective when suggested than displayed.

I'll follow you there on ethical grounds, because I think the sight of carnage brutalizes. The ancients didn't see it that way. As I recall, all the combat fatalities in the Iliad are described briefly, many of them in graphic detail: for example, Diomedes (Greek) kills Dolon (Trojan), sword across the neck (10.546).

Gee, thanks for the lecture, Wet Floor.

My name is Piso but I'm not touchy about names. If mine displeases you, call me Mr. Anderson.
 
We watched the entire series over the holiday. You need to watch the documentary "The Real Vikings". It shows that the Vikings series isn't that far off.
It's kind of like "The Walking Dead" - You find a character you like and are crushed when he (or she) dies. I like Floky!
 
There is a lot of room for interpretation for this period in history. I really like the show. It does get violent and we ignore some of that but overall it's pretty good. The use of new techniques to sail a course and get to England is excellent storytelling, I really enjoyed that part. And their exploits in England and France. Since then it's been kind of ho-hum, but we still watch it.
 
I just finished Bernard Cornwell's The Flame Bearer. Its the 10th book of the Saxon Stories. In this series Cornwell writes about the Saxons battling the Danes in England before it was England. He does a lot of research on the subject and is very good at describing battles. Yeah, those were bloody times and when you fought, you fought face to face.


It's also called the The Last Kingdom Series.
 
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I watch it and i an my girl enjoy it. I also read a Lot Bernard Cornwell and many other authors. Imo the story line is not far from known history.
 
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