Vinegar etch of "15 AK - pics and instructions

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I've been wanting to try etching of steel for a while and all the old threads on the subject on this forum didn't exactly help. I finally got around to start experimenting. I chose my AK as the target. This one have seen use but had most of its original finish in place thanks to Autosol (a metal polish/soap that removes oxidation like as by magic - a quick rubdown after use and the blade would be all shiny agian).

After a couple of initial and less than exiting attempts I landed on the following methodology.

Preparations
  • Sanding the polished finish down with ~180 grit and later ~320 grit wet & dry. Carefull to always sand in the same direction to get "even" lines in the metall. You'll want to work out any old nicks and scratches and get a uniform surface. Went pretty easy with the 320grit. Roughening up the finish is essential as it allows the acid to bite deeper and get more hold.
  • Degreasing the blade (most if not all dirt should be gone during the sanding, but your fingers are bound to leave some), preferably several times. It needs to be squeaky clean.

Application
  • Pour a little white vinegar (I got some 7 %) in a cup. I don't dilute it with any more water and if I had more potent vinegar up to 10-15 % I'd use it straight too.
  • Heat the blade under a hot tap.
  • Apply the vinegar with a paint brush. Keep applying, if the blade is clean you'll see the vinegar form a uniform "wet" surface. Brush back and forth in the same direction you sanded the blade earlier on and try to keep the vinegar coating as even as you can, remember to work both sides of the blade! If you see spots, streaks or similar form, work the area with the brush to smooth it out. Add more vinegar with the brush regularly. If you've done things right and everything works you'll quickly see a fairly even satin-silver/brownish hue start to form with a distinct hardened area taking a different tone. You can keep doing this for 10-20 minutes.
  • Use something to neutralize the acid, I just drip generous amounts of normal liquid dishwashing soap and rub it into the whole blade. Rinse off under the tap. Apply more dishwashing soap and use #0000 steel wool to scrub the blade down. This will remove loose oxidation and polish the blade. A little known fact is that many cleaning products (soaps, even toothpaste) are basically very mild polish/abrasives as they by nature have fine particles in them. Don't overdo the scrubbing, you'll want to etch at least three times and if you scrubb too hard and much you'll polish the blade ;) You'll want to keep the blade slightly rough for the next etching to bite properly. Over time with several etchings and rubbdowns the steel with get something similar to a brushed and then polished stainless steel surface, only obviously darker due to the etching.
  • Rub the blade in with mineral oil, Ballistol, whatever you like. Rub the oil off with a cloth or paper towel. Repeat. This sort of cleans the blade and removes a little bit more oxidation. You don't have to do this between each etching but you will have to at least put some oil on it when you're finished etching because it'll be very clean and oxidize (rust) easily. You'll note that the oil will "take" better on the blade than when it was new and polished.

The resulting finish from an etch like this will differ from blade to blade and depend on numerous factors. Generally the finish will have a smokish gray-brown tone in the softer areas, and a darker, more marked gray-brown color in the hardened area. Depending on light, the color and strength of it, the blade will sort of change in color before your eyes as you move it around. I could have got my etch more even in the non-hardened area, but I was experimenting and it shows.

A couple of shots of my test subject. Difficult to show the finish properly in a still image

The "sweet spot" is partially hidden by reflections a few places, but it is in fact very uniform and stretches almost the entire blade length, stopping only an inch or so from the cho.

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Different angle and light. I don't know if i'd call it pretty but probably functional.

vinegar_etch_ak15_02.jpg


Thanks for reading! I am getting my hands on some ferric chloride and will definitely try to etch with it too. Vinegar is cheap though, and if you work patiently and consistently with it you'll get interesting patinas.

Mac
 
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Very cool:) I etch a lot of mine just because.

Oh and I use muriatic acid to do mine...but be careful. That stuff is noxious stuff :eek:
 
Wonderful post, love the result! I'll probably try it after my WWII sees some use :) I'm curious, which Autosol product exactly were you using? I'm looking to see if I can't keep mine pretty polished up for the first part of its life anyway :D I've found something that's marketed here as a polishing cream, another that's supposed to being a polishing agent with wax mixed in it - a 2 in 1 type thing.

Also, is this Autosol product all you've been using to keep it from rusting or do you rub it down with some kind of grease as well?
 
Wonderful post, love the result! I'll probably try it after my WWII sees some use :) I'm curious, which Autosol product exactly were you using? I'm looking to see if I can't keep mine pretty polished up for the first part of its life anyway :D I've found something that's marketed here as a polishing cream, another that's supposed to being a polishing agent with wax mixed in it - a 2 in 1 type thing.

Also, is this Autosol product all you've been using to keep it from rusting or do you rub it down with some kind of grease as well?

It's the "Cream polish", on a tube (I think they sell it in large cans too for professional/industrial use). It's mainly intended for...well..cars/chrome parts but it works amazingly well on pretty much every kind of metal as well as plexi glass and many other things. What seem to separate it from regular polish is that there's stuff in it that reacts with oxidation and dissolve it. You can get most things from dull grey to shiny in a matter of a couple of minutes. Having worked with and sold all kinds of paint, epoxy and finishing products when I was a clerk in a hardware store, Autosol still remains one of my absolute favorites :)

If you just rub the Autosol completely out with a dry piece of cloth or paper it'll leave sort of a film on the metal. I'll clean/degrease the blade with soap and brush and put some mineral oil/Ballistol on it. Autosol is not food friendly.

Mac
 
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It's the "Cream polish", on a tube (I think they sell it in large cans too for professional/industrial use). It's mainly intended for...well..cars/chrome parts but it works amazingly well on pretty much every kind of metal as well as plexi glass and many other things. What seem to separate it from regular polish is that there's stuff in it that reacts with oxidation and dissolve it. You can get most things from dull grey to shiny in a matter of a couple of minutes. Having worked with and sold all kinds of paint, epoxy and finishing products when I was a clerk in a hardware store, Autosol still remains one of my absolute favorites :)

If you just the Autosol completely out with a dry piece of cloth or paper it'll leave sort of a film on the metal. I'll clean/degrease the blade with soap and brush and put some mineral oil/Ballistol on it. Autosol is not food friendly.

Mac

Great! Many thanks :)
 
Not bad at all! I personally favor mustard over vinegar for the darker and duller color. Here is an idea, after applying mustard or other agent wrap the blade in a regular paper towel for some interesting, very tiny camo-like patterns :)
 
Not bad at all! I personally favor mustard over vinegar for the darker and duller color. Here is an idea, after applying mustard or other agent wrap the blade in a regular paper towel for some interesting, very tiny camo-like patterns :)

That's a good idea and I considered it. I wanted to try for a uniform finish though, but I'll likely try mustard some day :)

Mac
 
thanks for great information Mac. Thats something i will try as soon as I have time for it, thanks to the others posting in this thread aswell, would be really interesting if more tips, tricks and howto's about etching and other custom treatments got posted here, then perhaps it could become a sticky or linked at least.
 
My personal "recipe" for an etched finish:

Buff the blade with fine steel wool. This will dull the finish of a blade with a high polish, but etching tends to take better to a satin/villager finish.

Wash the blade in nearly scalding water and dish soap. What you are looking for getting the blade so hot that water almost immediately beads and evaporates off. DO NOT touch the blade with your fingers after this step. Skin oil is the enemy :D

Using rubbing alcohol and cotton balls, carefully clean the blade until you stop getting black stuff on the cotton. Allow it to dry fully.

DANGEROUS NOXIOUS PART:
In a well ventilated and outdoor area (NOT your garage), I suspend the khuk from a low tree branch or post with piece of twine (I actually use the A-frame that supports my "porch" swing in my back yard) so that it is high enough to work with yet secure.

Using a mask and thick rubber gloves and being VERY careful, I use a cloth diaper to apply an even finish of Muriatic acid (found at most hardware stores in the concrete section. This is also why you don't want to do it in your garage as muriatic acid is used to EAT concrete finishes) to the blade. It gives it a very deep gray color with a stark contrast to the sweet spot. I usually apply a coating and let it drip dry for an hour then come back and give it another and let it dry again.

Once the acid has done its job, I wash the blade very carefully. Then I wash it was a slurry of baking soda and water to neutralize the acid. Then i wash it in very hot water to "dry" the blade again. I wipe it dry then give the blade a buff with super fine steel wool coated in mineral oil to buff off any chalky black oxidized powder left over from the process.

Sharpen, strop, and you're blade is gray and ready:)
 
Any pics of the finished product, please? Thank you!



My personal "recipe" for an etched finish:

Buff the blade with fine steel wool. This will dull the finish of a blade with a high polish, but etching tends to take better to a satin/villager finish.

Wash the blade in nearly scalding water and dish soap. What you are looking for getting the blade so hot that water almost immediately beads and evaporates off. DO NOT touch the blade with your fingers after this step. Skin oil is the enemy :D

Using rubbing alcohol and cotton balls, carefully clean the blade until you stop getting black stuff on the cotton. Allow it to dry fully.

DANGEROUS NOXIOUS PART:
In a well ventilated and outdoor area (NOT your garage), I suspend the khuk from a low tree branch or post with piece of twine (I actually use the A-frame that supports my "porch" swing in my back yard) so that it is high enough to work with yet secure.

Using a mask and thick rubber gloves and being VERY careful, I use a cloth diaper to apply an even finish of Muriatic acid (found at most hardware stores in the concrete section. This is also why you don't want to do it in your garage as muriatic acid is used to EAT concrete finishes) to the blade. It gives it a very deep gray color with a stark contrast to the sweet spot. I usually apply a coating and let it drip dry for an hour then come back and give it another and let it dry again.

Once the acid has done its job, I wash the blade very carefully. Then I wash it was a slurry of baking soda and water to neutralize the acid. Then i wash it in very hot water to "dry" the blade again. I wipe it dry then give the blade a buff with super fine steel wool coated in mineral oil to buff off any chalky black oxidized powder left over from the process.

Sharpen, strop, and you're blade is gray and ready:)
 
I might do this kind of etch to the MS I just got. I think it would look really cool with a darker blade. Also, the bolster seems to be steel and not white metal, so it should take to the etching process as well.

It might be a couple of weeks before I have to supply and time, but I'll get it done. Who knows, might be a father's day project tomorrow to do in between the other things on my Honey Do list:P
 
Thanks Jake, Great guide! I'd love to see some before, after shots of the MS, if you get to etch it sometime.

Does anybody know of treatments that can give other "colors"? Like the black area on the farm knife for example. Would also love to hear about treatments that gives a better rust resistance. if anybody knows about that.
 
So Steely, by your comment, I assume there might be an adverse reaction between the white metal components and the acid?

I might do this kind of etch to the MS I just got. I think it would look really cool with a darker blade. Also, the bolster seems to be steel and not white metal, so it should take to the etching process as well.

It might be a couple of weeks before I have to supply and time, but I'll get it done. Who knows, might be a father's day project tomorrow to do in between the other things on my Honey Do list:P
 
I would think that a long soak in vinegar would result in a dark gray to black color finish, as it did for me on my 913D2 Benchmade, My blade soaked in vinegar for 3 days and turned almost solid black, I'd think it would work on 5160 as well. For an almost true black, you could do a manganese phosphate "parkerized" finish, for a lighter dark gray, a zinc phosphate parkerizing would do as well.

Thanks Jake, Great guide! I'd love to see some before, after shots of the MS, if you get to etch it sometime.

Does anybody know of treatments that can give other "colors"? Like the black area on the farm knife for example. Would also love to hear about treatments that gives a better rust resistance. if anybody knows about that.
 
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So Steely, by your comment, I assume there might be an adverse reaction between the white metal components and the acid?
Not really. White metal behaves like brass when it comes to etching. It gets all splotchy rather having a nice even finish where as steel seems to just soak it up.
 
I am sure it would do the same thing, but likely in less time, I'm hoping to finish up my shop so I can get back to playing around with knives and reloading again soon. You're welcome Nils, if you etch, please be sure to post pics, or a link to some pics.

Thanks Hikman
Do you know how stronger vinegar 35% would be like?
 
cool, so it could be cleaned back up if you wanted then?

From what I have found, yes:) Where steel tends to take a deeper etch, brass and white metal seem to let most of the acid slide off leaving just some tiger-stripey/camo pattern. A little Brasso seems to buff it back quite nicely:) The deepest etch I have ever managed was by accident and the brass just tarnished to a deep golden brown. Basically, slightly deeper in color than just letting it naturally oxidize.
 
Good thread. My lemon juice (filtered to take out bits and pieces) is not so durable but has the advantage of smelling much nicer :)

I'll try it on my khuks. I have always been curious about the hamon on them. Wonder if they are the same for all khuks.
 
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