W2 8" chefs knife

S.Grosvenor

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I built a W2 chefs knife for a customer and finished it over the weekend, I wanted to make sure it did what it was suppose to and worked great except it turned the onion a greenish black??? I did finish the blade to 400 and scrubbed it good before trying it, will it always do this?
 
I don't know (horrible way to start a response to a thread, I get it), but my wife has a ceramic blade she uses to cut apples. They do not turn brown by our school's lunchtime for the kids, who will not eat brown apples. Our stainless knives (Japanese and German) will brown the apples. The onion is reacting to something, if the blade is clean what else can it be but the steel?
 
The issue with this is the sulphur in the W2. After it forms a patina, and the patina stabilizes, it will stop doing this. Make sure to let the customer know that or he might think you are sending him a "dirty" blade lol
 
The issue with this is the sulphur in the W2. After it forms a patina, and the patina stabilizes, it will stop doing this. Make sure to let the customer know that or he might think you are sending him a "dirty" blade lol

WILD! Thanks for the info.
 
yep they will discoller to a point then be good to go and the more use the less coloring problem on not only the food but also the blade

the sharper the blade the longet foods will go withought "browning " that is tho after you get a good patina on the blade
 
Pre-etching the blade with FC will speed up the patina. Use 10:1 FC and give it a few dips, wash, dip, wash, etc. It will slowly get a dark patina. When a bit darker than desired, rinse well and wash with Windex or TSP. If the blade is not mounted, boil it for 15 minutes to "set" the patina. Buff up with some 4/0 steel wool and it will take a nice dark glow. Oil the blade and let sit for a few days, then wipe down well.
 
Pre-etching the blade with FC will speed up the patina. Use 10:1 FC and give it a few dips, wash, dip, wash, etc. It will slowly get a dark patina. When a bit darker than desired, rinse well and wash with Windex or TSP. If the blade is not mounted, boil it for 15 minutes to "set" the patina. Buff up with some 4/0 steel wool and it will take a nice dark glow. Oil the blade and let sit for a few days, then wipe down well.

Thank you sir!
 
I have seen several references to the sulfur in a knife's steel being then culprit in food discoloring or the taste of the food after cutting, and other things.

Knife Steel has from .005% to .05% sulfur. That is a very small amount. Onions ,on the other hand, have a very high sulfur content. If there was a problem with sulfur and onions, it would self destruct.

Apples, avocados, and onions discolor after cutting - it a product of oxidation with the air reacting on organic compounds called polyphenols. This can usually be prevented by keeping air away, or by coating with something that will prevent the oxidation. Fruit-fresh will prevent the discoloration as well as lemon juice.
If the fruit or vegetable was cut with glass, it would still discolor. An avocado will discolor as you watch. Bruising of the fruit will cause the polyphenols to be released from the cells, and make the bruise dark.

The commonly quoted tale of "being able to taste the knife" is mostly sales hype. Most of these stories were created by the stainless knife industry to get people to switch from carbon blades. Since there was no real attribute with stainless, and it was generally less sharp and durable ( in the early days), the sales pitch about taste was created.
Now days, the same story is told concerning ceramic blades to say that stainless and carbon knives will make the food taste bad, and ceramic won't.
In a few years, they will claim that ceramic leaves a funny taste compared to laser knives.

Final info:
Some people will "prove" that carbon blades have a taste by licking one or putting it in their mouth. They taste a sour or metallic taste, and say they taste the blade. Stick a nearly dead 9V battery on your tongue and you will taste the same thing...but a lot stronger. What the knife taste is, is the taste of the galvanic action with the electrolyte being saliva. Your tongue is the cathode and the blade is the anode. The 9V battery adds your tongue and saliva to the existing group of cells and your taste buds have electrons pulled off them in the process. The nerves in your taste buds are just electrical sensors. The taste buds and nerves that taste "Metallic taste" are sensitive to the galvanic action of metal ions in and on food....or knife blades. However, there is no measurable amount of steel removed when cutting a vegetable, certainly not enough to taint it enough for the tongue of the average human to detect the ions. When food that is very acidic is cooked in iron pots, or exposed to carbon steel ( or copper) for enough time ( and/or heat is added) enough metallic ions can be transfered to taint the flavor.
 
That is good to know, thanks for taking the time to post this information!:thumbup:
 
I left out one thing.

A knife cuts through the cells, and releases the polyphenols. A very sharp knife cuts cleaner, and does a little less damage, but still cuts the cells open. Tearing lettuce will make it separate along the cell walls, and not release near as much of this chemical. Thus, the top chefs tear their lettuce instead of cutting it. They also wait on cutting fresh vegetables and fruit until just before serving to delay any oxidation. Keeping these items cool and in sealed containers also delays the oxidation. These procedures will assure the most flavor, and the least discoloration.

I looked up the exact chemical last night, it is polyphenol oxidase, called PPO.



OK, time for a romp down memory lane.

Back in the 1960's there was a show called "Family Affair". Sebastian Cabot played the very proper butler/gentleman's gentleman, cook, and unexpectedly - a nanny to three kids, a teen age girl and young boy-girl twins. In one episode he was preparing the salad for dinner. The little girl was watching and asked why he carefully tore each leaf of lettuce by hand. He explained that the metal knife would make it taste bad and turn brown. She shrugged and replied, "Wonder why the metal bowl doesn't make it taste bad?" He quickly shooed her off, and after she was gone, looked inside the bowl and scratched his head.
 
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