Wanna be maker

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Ok, I'm insired now. After spending enough time around you guys, I wanna make knives too. The question I pose, how do you start, what materials/equipment do I need (is there a section on E-Bay to get the stuff cheap?)? How 'bout books, anyone recommend some paticular reading? You get the idea. Any help is appreciated
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Thanks a bunch!

Dan

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Keep your powder dry.

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Java, search the archives there is a bunch of material suggestions and methods to start with.

my suggestion is get a good vice a coupla files a hacksaw and some sandpaper.

If you learn the hand techniques first, you have a better base o start out with.

Just like they do in wood working classes.
They give a handsaw and a square and tell you to make something simple like a stool.
If you don't know the techniques involved in making a three board stool square and true.
How will you ever make a Chippendale.
Decide on what type of steel you want to use and learn that type of steel before you move onto something else. I'm talking heat treat, testing and waht you can expect from that steel.
If you want to forge knives we have a whole new book of tricks to learn.

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Sola Fide
 
Well, first off, knifemaking is very addictive! Don't start unless you are sure you want to do it! It is alaso very rewarding and there is no feeling like using a knife that you have made yourself!

A good way to start is with kit knives. It allows you get used to putting handles on and finishing a knife without a lot of equipment and time and expense. www.jantzsupply.com and Texas knifemakers supply is another place to get kits, steel, handle material, files, sandpaper, etc. I started with kits last December when I was home on break from college. By August this year, I had made 5 knives from scratch and sold 2 of them.

For the kits, get some files, sandpaper, drill press, vise, epoxy, pin material and a Dremel is always useful around the house or shop. Grinding your own blades needs a little more equipment, but not at first. Forging requires more stuff, so I won't get into that here.

Hacksaw, files, sandpaper, a vise, drill press and lots of time is how I made my first knife. I used O-1, 3/16" thick. O-1 is easy to file, pretty cheap and forgiving to work with and available thru several places. 1095 also has the same characteristics and is about $4 for 18" of it thru jantz.
Use the hacksaw and files to get the steel to the shape you want it to be. Then file the bevels down with the files and drill the holes for the handle. Heat treating of O-1 and 1095 can be done at home, but I haven't tried it, so maybe someone else can say what is needed. Use sandpaper and later on, buffing wheels to polish the blade and handle material. then put the handle on just like a kit knife, and repolish the whole thing. There is more to it than this, but I wanted to give you a quick description.

The most important piece of equipment is the drill press, which lets you drill straight holes. After that comes a good, stable vise to hold material and good files (nicholson if possible). A belt sander makes the work go a lot faster because you can profile the blade and grind the bevels much faster, better and you can convex and hollow grind on belt sanders, which are very difficult to do with files.

Your equipment you need depends on how you are making your knives. By hand with files requires lots less $$$ and equipment, but lots more time and patience. A good Belt sander is very expensive. A 1x30 or 1x42 is ok to start, but you soon get tired of them.

As for books, there are a few for beginners. Boyes book is very good, as is Loveless.

Good luck and email me with any questions! YOu can also search the shop talk and shop talk archives for info about knifemaking and kits and whatever esle you need!
 
Thanks for the advice (keep it coming guys
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) I thought everything was fire and anvils from the get-go. Speaking of files, I have a old one my grandfather had. Dimensions are about 14"x3"x.25" Is this material I could look at making into a knife? I have no idea what kind of steel it is, but it does rust, a orangy surface coating that does not go deep, stronger than heck. Can you file a file with a file (how much wood could a woodchuck........) or would it be advisable to seek out a machine shop with a belt sander? I know to you experienced guys these must sound like some pretty silly questions, but hey, I specialize in medicine so cut me some slack. (get it - medicine, cut, knives, ha ha ha) Man am I tired.

g'night and thanks again!

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Keep your powder dry.

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You can anneal the file by heating to nonmagnetic and burying it in wood ash, lime or vermiculite, for a slow cool overnite, it should then be soft enough to shape.
What brand file?

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I don't know the name, you'll have to play metal detective.

First heat the end, or tang to non-magnetic and quench in water, you only need about an inch to do this.
put on your safety glasses, lay the end on something solid and smack it with a hammer.

If it breaks like a piece of glass, you have a piece that will make a knife.

This step is necessary because some files are case hardened and will be useless once the hard layer is removed.

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Sola Fide
 
I know you can Convex grind with files, but right now, I am sick of the convex grind on a 3 or 4" blade!
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Still waiting on that Grizzly!! For a big knife, Convex is great, but for smaller ones like I am doing now, it just doesn't look right. And flat grinding will defintely teach you how to file flat and not convex. Skills are important, I know because I am still learning them!

Java, if you have a machine shop around you, stop there and see if they have any scraps of O-1 they can sell you, then you can keep the file for either use or for another blade and you wouldn't have ruined a nice file. The bigger the file, the better for filing a blade. Good Luck and remember, respirators and face sheilds are a good thing to have!! Forgot that in my first post...too much smelling micarta dust! :P
 
Javahed,

I'm about where you are now. Or maybe a little ahead, since I have a grinder and am now cutting steel.

The more advanced guys may disagree with me on this one, but if your grandfather's file is decent - KEEP IT! It will probably make a good file for working steel. I am finding myself doing a lot of hand filing, even with the power tools. Of course, I could be doing something wrong
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Mike, also a wannabee until the first knife is done.
 
I agree. Keep the file! It will be more useful as a tool than as your first knife steel. Get some O-1 or 1095 from a machine shop or Jantz or texas knifemakers supply. Works easily and will give you a good first blade and the blade will last. I have a piece of O-1 about 10" long, 1" or so wide and 3/16" thick I can send you if you want. I haven't really done anything to it yet but use magic marker to draw patterns on it, but it's yours if you want it!

MBennett, there is nothing wrong with hand filing. It is a great way to get everything flat and even. My 1x30 isn't the best, so I have to hand file to get the flats even and not convex when i want a flat grind. Do you have a bench grinder or belt sander?? Bench grinders aren't the best for stock removal because they are very hard and chattery. Belts sanders work much better. Believe me, I tried a bench grinder and it didn't work too well! Hand filing is also good practice for grinding and finishing, so there is nothing wrong with it! I actually made my first knife using files, then when I got the belt sander, I touched it up a little. Now I am going to redo the whole thing with my new belt sander if it arrives soon or with files. Filing takes a lot longer than the belt sander and requires patience and a good file card, but it works ok. Keep working away at it you guys and you will get there! I did! Let me know if you need more help because I am a newbie too and have asked many of the same questions you guys will ask!
 
Ok, the file stays the way it is for now. Taz, that is great of you to offer up that piece of steel, let me know what you think it will cost to ship it to WA and I'll send some money your way. Thanks a bunch!

Mike B, go Boston. My family is from Princeton, 'bout 45 min west of Worchester.

"Filing takes a lot longer than the belt sander and requires patience and a good file card" Taz, what is a file card?

Thanks!

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Keep your powder dry.

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[This message has been edited by Javahed (edited 10-16-2000).]
 
Dan-

If you live in Puyallup, you aren't very far from my shop.

I live in Vancouver, WA, but I have kept my shop in my parents home for the time being (I am 22).

It would be of your benefit to come down and I could spend a day with you showing you some of the ins and outs of knifemaking.

Yes, I am young, but I was where you're at now when I was 13, so I do have some time under my belt.

All you have to do is get over to I-5 South and proceed until you get to the Winlock Exit. It's easy to find.

If you're interested, let me know, we can set up a day.

Best of luck,
Nick
 
Email me with your mailing addy and I will try to send it out tomorrow or thurs! It has some small hacksaw cuts in it, but it won't hurt anything! ( I got a little too hacksaw happy...4 hours hacksawing will do that to you!) This steel is pretty thick, so you will have plenty of room for error and your arms will get a good workout from the filing!

Oh yeah, a file card is used for cleaning particles out of files. It lookes like short wire sticking out of a card. Very useful. If you don't clean files, particles will get stuck in the file teeth and make deep scratches in your steel, which are a pain to get out. I learned the hard way!

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Taz, thanks for the steel, and you even paid for the shipping, that is really great. Nick, I look forward to when we can link up at your shop so I can do some learning about this art. Everyone here has been very generous with time, advice and resources. This is a community that certainly reflects the best attributes of our country. I am proud to be heading down the path that will one day allow me to be called a Knifemaker.

To everyone, Thanks!

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No prob, Java! I have gotten a lot of good advice and stuff here on the forums, so I thought I would pass it on to you. Enjoy the steel and get ready to have your amrs sore from filing it!!
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Hey Javahed,Good luck on your new endever.Knife making is a blast and very gratifying.Check out my tutorials at:
http://www.homestead.com/beknivessite2/guard~ns4.html
If you have any questions feel free to email me.I'm glad to see you are hooking up with Nick.That is the best way to learn,I had to start out on my own with no computer just books......Bruce

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Bruce Evans Handcrafted Knives
The soul of the Knife begins in the Fire!!!!!
Member of,AKTI#A000223 and The American Bladesmith Society
 
Bruce,

Great site, a definite refrence page for me. Have you made a book with all the same info? It would be a great handbook to keep out in the shop, kind of like a "knifemaking for dummies" just the thing us newbies need!

Thanks a bunch!

Dan

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http://www.gogetemgear.com/
 
Did the steel arrive yet Java? if not today, it should be in tomorrow, so you can take it with you when you see Bruce. have fun!
 
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