Want to get ahead - start boozing it up.

I wonder what a statistician like John Lott would think of the study?



munk
 
"Getting ahead" and "boosting your income" may not be synonomous for everyone. It depends on internal values and just what direction one is heading.
 
Basically it comes down to networking(god I hate that word). A way of keeping on your better's radar and impressing them with your ability to schmooze. Not a big fan of it personally. When I drink it's to socialize with my friends who offer me nothing in return besides good times and freindship.

For a statistician John Lott seems to suffer from Computer crashes a little too much for my taste. That and his penchant for impersonating women.....
 
Sutcliffe said:
For a statistician John Lott (snip) That and his penchant for impersonating women.....

Fascinating. But I suppose we all need our hobbies.

Does that affect the quality of his work ?
 
I've heard the phrase "drink your way to the top" too many times in the corporate world to be surprised by the results of this study. Though clearly the key word here is "social" -- another phrase I've heard a lot is "it isn't WHAT you know, it's WHO"...
 
His research (Google Lott's 2% survey) came into question and then, when critics questioned his research methods, he claimed that he lost much of the data on a computer crash.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with his message, I just find his methods a little questionable, and prefer my champions to have a little less baggage when it comes to the 2nd.

As for impersonating women:

He got into a heated argument with his critics in an online forum posing as one Mary Rosh, a former student of his. He continued this defense of his works as Miss Rosh until someone was able to trace back the ISP to his home PC. When faced with this he made up some lame excuse and seems to have put it behind him.
 
If this were literally true I'd be earning a bit more than I do now. (Hell, I'd be earning a bit more than Bill Gates.)

I'll agree that schmoozing works, though. I've seen some talented butt-sharks in my time and they tended to do rather well for themselves.
 
Social is the key word. I'd drink myself out of the job, to the basement as a janitor, and then out the building into the street.




munk
 
When my job involved going with government ministers to meetings in other places, I was always struck by how frequently the real work and deal-making got done in the bar, after the official meeting. I'd imagine that the same's true in the business world.

Probably healthier all round to do the schmoozing and deal-making on a golf course instead - which also happens. But I don't golf.
 
It only works for men though supposedly.

Similarly, left-handed men earn an average of 26% more than right-handed, but left and right-handed women make about the same.

Fortunately I am left-handed and therefore do not need to drink.
 
Long ago and far away (well, Chicago)...I worked next to the Time-Life building on Ohio Street. In the basement of the T-L building was a bar/restaurant (Taberna?) with Greek cuisine.

A great many of the businesses which had their headquarters in the building were subsidiaries of Japanese companies.

Almost without exception, every time I went into the Taberna, there was a group of Japanese (men) (VERY well-dressed) drinking to excess. I was told it was a cultural thing--an element of business dealings. It had little or nothing to do with talking business, but was as expected as Americans might expect a handshake.

I haven't read the study, but must wonder if those queried were not at a level of success, or high enough in the business heirarchy, that they had time and money to drink in a business/social setting.

The very highest level executives I knew--chairman and presidential levels--didn't socialize like this at all.
 
There are always formal negotiations and informal ones. The formal ones take place in a well attended confrence room and will cover every bullet, point and paragraph. Then Ultimately, some senior executive will be flown in for a signing ceremony, handshakes, and photo shoot. But; always, during the negotiation there will be some impass; and, most of those will be solved by a handful of deal makers at a strip bar. It is an almost ideal location to exchange key information without the connotation of impropriety. Usually, it was about getting the bottom line on the buyer's project budget, and identifying the key opposition and finding the means to buy their support. The currency used was to come to an off record gentlemen's agreement on a career advancing result.

e.g. if the Director of customer support had issues with our turn around window, we might agree off record to provide him with a generous supply of spares in exchange for his support. Sure enough 6 months into the project there may arise a problem with support and this manager will raise quite an alarm. Angry emails would be exchanged, lawyers would be dragged in, and negotiations would run on for weeks. But, at the end of the show we would give him what we had agreed to, and he would add that well publicized and outstanding accomplishment to his resume.

It always helps to get your friends promoted. At the very least the guy has learned the value of your word.

n2s
 
Now I don't know about corporate climbers or guys who wear ties, but I can tell y'all this. I used to get a lot of skids greased over a couple pitchers of beer with my fellow non-coms down at the NCO club. As I remember, it was a good place to share information, and get help or give help in solving problems. Conversation flowed freely, due to the the casual atmosphere, and we'd chat about everything from NFL football, to heading off negative morale trends amongst the troops, to improving quality of training programs. Just about any subject was fair game, as long as there was no compromise of confidentiality regarding sensitive matters (oh, you'd be amazed at the crap a 1st Sgt has to deal with daily). The drinking was only incidental to the setting, and if anybody did overindulge, his brothers and sisters in arms would square him away and see him home safely. I miss those days, and I miss their fellowship.

Sarge
 
cliff355 said:
It only works for men though supposedly.

Similarly, left-handed men earn an average of 26% more than right-handed, but left and right-handed women make about the same.

Fortunately I am left-handed and therefore do not need to drink.

Following this reasoning an ambidextrous man impersonating a woman wouldn,t have to work . Or at least would have three salaries . L:O:L
 
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