Warning!! Michigan Bill To Ban Pocketknives

Multi bladed device????????????
SAK's beware.
Multi tools beware.
What BS

And they think CA is bad.Thats right Detroit is in Michigan. :barf:
 
it says in several places (yes, I read the entire text as posted) MULIT-bladed. what about a single blade folding locking knife? any lawyers out there? after re-reading, it does have that famously interpet-it-as-you-will statment (on lines (second paragraph) 11-12) "any dangerous weapon", which includes anything in the world a person could be killed with. Guess I can't carry that mack truck concealed on my person. :)
 
What a crock.

[joke mode] Now we here in Ahia gotta worry 'bout them Mee-shee-ganites comin down here and buying up all our sharp pointy multi-bladed lockin stuff...[joke mode off]

Where do these legislators come from? Are they really that simple minded??
 
This came up in the "General" forum a while back--looks like the the legislature was trying to ban those daffy cheapo three-bladed "throwing star" lockbacks that the mall stores and trash catalogs started selling awhile back.

And, of course, in trying to combat a "menace" that didn't threaten anybody, they end up threatening your right to use a simple tool.

But c'mon, isn't that what weapon control is all about? :rolleyes:
 
Off to Blade Discussion Forum where it will get more exposure.
 
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306280

this link is from the law forum and provides who to contact in this matter.

please please contact these people and tell them what you think :eek:

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The Honorable Senator Alan Cropsey

Chairman Senate Judiciary Committee
Farnum Building #1005
Lansing MI 48909

Phone: (517) 373-3760

Fax: (517) 373-8661
Email: Jlazet@senate.michigan.gov (Alan's chief of staff John Lazet)
Email: SenACropsey@senate.michigan.gov
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The Honorabale Senator Samuel "Buzz" Thomas
Farnum Building #610
Lansing MI 48909

Phone: (517) 373-7918

Fax: (517) 373-5227
Email: SenBThomas@senate.michigan.gov
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The Honorable Representative Virgil Smith

House Office Building #686
Lansing MI 48909

Phone: (517) 373-0589

Fax: (517) 373-6404
Email: virgilsmith@house.mi.gov
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The Honorable Representative Morris Hood

House Office Building #690
Lansing MI 48909

Phone: (517) 373-3185

Fax: (517) 373-5986
Email: morrishood3rd@house.mi.gov
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The Honorable Representative William Van Regenmorter

Chairman House Committee on Criminal Justice
House Office Building #1093
Lansing MI 48909

Phone: (517) 373-8900

Fax: (517) 373-8697
Email: wmvanreg@house.mi.gov
 
This vaguely worded bill is open to at least two logical interpretations. On its face, Sec. 227. (1) could be construed to criminalize the pocket carry of a retractable utility knife equipped with a segmented or reversable blade regardless of the intent of the carrier as this sort of knife contains multiple blades each of which are capable of being locked into place for use as a weapon. However, under this construction if a
particular device contained only one blade capable of being locked, it would likely not be governed by this bill.
Of course this construction is ludicrous because Sec. 227. (1) then goes on to prohibit "carry" of said device (e.g. retractable utility knife) whether concealed or otherwise, in any vehicle making this a felony! A more reasonable contruction would
be that it is illeagal to carry said device for "use as a weapon". We shall see.
 
Dangit. I'd better hurry up and retire so I can move to Florida (or anywhere else outside of my home state of Michigan) before jenny-fur and her bleeding heart buddies totally ruin this state. (For those fortunate enough NOT to live in Michigan, "jenny-fur" is my pet name for Jennifer Granholm -- our governess.)

Shalom,
Mark
 
This is a bi-partisan bill so both parties are equally at blame for the poorly worded legalese. That only makes it that much more at risk of being enacted as there isn't likely to be much oppositon from either party toward a so-called "public safety" bill. If you live in Michigan, as I do, you have an obligation to contact your state representative and point these very valid issues with the bill.
 
I just forwarded an e-mail to all of the parties, I encourage you all to do the same. Just keep inconveniencing and disarming the people...if you're not going to be able to lower the crime rate, at least lower the population :barf:

I don't know who this guy Michigan Bill is, but they need to lock him up.
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:D Thanks for the much needed laugh.
 
I don't know who this guy Michigan Bill is, but they need to lock him up.
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What? Liner? Axis? Button? Backspring? What?

Be specific.

As our new US motto I propose one similar to what the cops use.
WE use:

"To submit and comply"

:grumpy:
 
I sent an e-mail, got a reply.

>>> "Dan Moore" <needleremorse@comcast.net> 7/22/2004 10:02:04 AM >>>
Dear Sir or Madam,

In House Bill 5797, a proposition is made to limit the selection of
those who carry knives. Let me point out that knives are tools, and that
they are used as weapons by criminals. By imposing vague and yet strict
laws upon the people restricting the tools they carry, you serve not to
protect them, but to inconvenience them grossly. Criminals will always
have weapons, whatever they may be. If this law passes, there will still
be people purchasing and carrying illegal knives with criminal intent,
any yet at the same time law-abiding citizens are punished, and in a
sense, held defenseless. By keeping as many knives as possible legal,
you serve to convenience, protect, and reward the people. Criminals can
make everybody into an easy target knowing that they are probably not
carrying a knife, which can be used in a last-ditch attempt for
defense.

Hopefully, you will see this issue with clarity, and make the decision
that is best for Michigan, that their convenience and safety is not
infringed upon by these unnecessary laws.

Sincerely,

Daniel Moore







Mr. Moore:

Thank you for your e-mail to Sen. Cropsey. The request for the bill
came from the
Detroit Police Department due to exotic knives with blades under 3
inches being sold by a gas station to high school kids. Senator
Thomas
(from Detroit) introduced SB 1296 to address this concern;
Representative Smith (also of Detroit) introduced HB 5797. Senate
Bill
1296 has been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee; HB 5797 to
the
House Criminal Law Committee.

As you point out, the proposed language is so broad as to potentially
outlaw Swiss army knives, which Sen. Cropsey cannot support.
Consequently, no hearing is scheduled for SB 1296 in the Senate; only
Rep. Van Regenmorter can speak for the House Committee schedule.

Again, your thoughts are appreciated.



John Lazet, Chief of Staff
Sen. Alan Cropsey
 
Fortunately, it appears this bill won't ever get to a vote. The fact that some small time power broker want's to exercise his power in this manner is frustrating enough, though.
 
The Detroit police chief seems to have watched "Krull" too many times. I wonder if he'll also want to ban firemares.
 
And another response:
Jami Des Chenes said:
Dear Mr. Moore:



Thank you for your recent letter regarding House Bill 5797, introduced by my colleague Representative Virgil Smith. I appreciate hearing from you.



At this time, I do not plan to schedule a hearing on House Bill 5797 in the Criminal Justice Committee. While my colleague’s intent was to ban specific weapon, I share your concern that the definition in the bill is overly broad and could be interpreted to apply to simple tools such as Swiss Army knives or other varieties of multi-tools than many law abiding citizens carry for emergencies and convenience.



Again, thank you for writing.



Sincerely
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