Warning! Prices on everything headed upwards!

not2sharp

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The Chinese just broke their US$ currency peg. (Translation= Chinese made goods expected to rise significantly in cost. Perhaps ~30-50%)

It is up about 2% now, but this has just started a couple of hours ago. This is one bit of news that will likely make a difference to all of us.

read more here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357086

n2s
 
I'm optimistic....Perhaps this will make goods from U.S. manufacturers more competitive and create more jobs here (over the long haul). We've had too many incentives to buy elsewhere.
 
I'm with Jurrasic also! I remember the 70's and inflation and all and that was kind of bad. On the other hand most of the stuff made here (except cars) had a tendency to last, where you can pretty much count on a lot of appliances and other stuff that you buy now to die in 2 or 3 years so in the long run does it cost less?

We have sold out our manufacturing base. I know the multinationals would probably never let it happen, but in the event of some kind of war where we couldn't import stuff I think our current policy of buying most stuff from abroad could hurt us.
 
Multinationals? Just before WW I much the same was said. The multinational cartels would never allow a war -- bad for business -- too interdependent.

Violence has its own "logic."


If China raises prices 100%, will they now pay workers as much as $6.00/day?
 
This to me is a symtom of the artificially low interest rate. How can we have such a low interest rate and have inflation relatively low as well?

There is a serious underlying problem here. I fear for the day when interest rates rise significantly from what they are.

This low interest rate and it's effects makes little sense to me.
 
Dave Hahn said:
This to me is a symtom of the artificially low interest rate. How can we have such a low interest rate and have inflation relatively low as well?.

I presume you refer to low interest on mortgage loans.

Think of interest as rent. If you are leasing an apartment to someone and the cost of apartments are going to double over the term of the lease (inflation), you will factor that into the rent (interest) because the apartment is "worth" more as the price rises. Thus, low inflation leads to low interest.

Actually, you don't "know" what will happen to the costs, but you do the best estimate you can. You are trying to cover the risk that prices will rise.

Why is interest so high on credit card debt? Different factor - not inflation risk but risk of "bad" debt -- risk of not getting paid.

Or so I have been told.
 
I'm ignorant but not worried.


If they think I'll pay 15 for the 10 dollar Chinese toaster that doesn't work they're mistaken.






munk
 
This is good for me...I buy too much stuff as it is.

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"I presume you refer to low interest on mortgage loans.

Think of interest as rent. If you are leasing an apartment to someone and the cost of apartments are going to double over the term of the lease (inflation), you will factor that into the rent (interest) because the apartment is "worth" more as the price rises. Thus, low inflation leads to low interest.

Actually, you don't "know" what will happen to the costs, but you do the best estimate you can. You are trying to cover the risk that prices will rise.

Why is interest so high on credit card debt? Different factor - not inflation risk but risk of "bad" debt -- risk of not getting paid."

Where do you live, that the "low inflation" in houses has led to low interest rates?

On both coasts, prices have doubled in 5-6 years.

Mortgages seem to be another kettle of fish, as are apparently many car loans.

Why?

Everything isn't covered below, but here are a few factors:

The risk of bad debt often isn't borne by the lender--the debt is sold to some one else, or through a series of derivative transactions the risk is transferred. Sounds OK in principle, but in the case of Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac (which handle about 50% of mortgages) some of that risk is passed on to the US taxpayer, because of the "implicit guarantee" that these quasi-government agentcies enjoy. Or the many debts are bundled up and resold as a bond, which often ends up in mutal funds. Throw in a bunch of derivatives and swaps, and the risk of the mortgage, car loan, or high-risk business loan might actually be wrapped up with a product mascarading as Treasury debt. A piece of your mortgage or car loan could be in your retirement account--or maybe the risk.

Someone who refinances their "appreciated" house and withdraws cash is in effect a buyer who is actually interested in "buying" the house for the greatest possible price with the assistance of a lender who is intersted in seeing the house "purchased" for the greatest possible ammount and who susequently transfers the risk of the bad debt on an over-appraised house to someone else. This is NOT a situation of "supply and demand" as normally formulated.

American car manufacturers make more money on extending loans for cars and yes, in some cases houses, than they do making and selling cars. In some cases the car arm is consistently losing money.

In overheated housing markets, it IS cheaper to rent than to buy, and sometimes by quite a lot. As well, here, nearly 50% of mortgages originated last year were interest-only. This isn't "home-ownership" it is renting, where the renter pays property tax and maintenance. In many areas there are more registered real estate agents than there are properties sold in a year.

People are not buying houses to live in, or rent they are buying them because they are going to be "worth 20% more next year". Like pog, beanie babies or internet stocks. It si one thing to buy futures or deriviatives to hedge aginst fuel costs, or buy a house for the rental income. It is another to buy them because they are going to "flipped" in a few months.

When it is said that the American consumer is "carrying the economy, it is usually via increased debt. We've built a house of cards with "structured fianance", and it's the builders who have made the money. Think Enron.

China (and other countries) buying our national debt and selling us cheap stuff just feeds into this. Everyone here can't be a financier--somebody has to make something.

rant over for now.
 
Firkin- you posted! Hooray. You know, the more intelligent folks around here, like N2Sharp and Linton, need your peerage! The rest of us just miss you~!



munk
 
BruiseLeee said:
I don't buy khukuries from China anyways. :D
Me too Bruise.

Anyway, China can't afford to raise prices too much. They have over a billion people to feed and keep happy. I didn't read the article but I would think that if they allowed their money to float, the Renminbi would be devalued and prices would drop not go up.
 
If you've the time, might want to read the second article.....

"...The small increase in the yuan's value isn't likely to be enough on its own to satisfy trading partners who have said Chinese exporters had an unfair price advantage because the currency was undervalued by up to 40 percent..."

Or explain your reasoning.

If it is to be pegged, pegging it to a basket of currencies seems to make more sense to me. If the dollar has gone down, why should China's currency go down the same amount?

If the reason that they are buying debt and dollars from the US is because of an artificially low renminbi/dollar ratio, then floating it would make them want to sell dollars, bring our currency down...?

Well it's not called the dismal science for nothing, I guess.
 
I haven't kept up with the currency movements, but of course those who want to see Chinese exports slow down want to see a strong yuan/Renminbi. The U.S. for one. A currency that is weak compared to others discourages people from buying imports and helps exports to sell overseas.

The weaker dollar compared to the Euro helps Boeing sell airplanes, while hurting Airbus. There are those in Airbus that claim their manufacturing is more efficient than Boeing. However is it more efficient by 30% - the amount that the Euro commands over the dollar? I doubt it. In fact I dispute their claim without the currency factor. European labor is not cheaper than American labor as a whole.

Chinese labor is nearly the cheapest in the world. If we really want to see what the yuan/Renminbi is worth, don't peg it at a fixed rate to the dollar or a basket of strong currencies. Let it float like the dollar, Euro, Yen, and other strong currencies. Then the true value will be known in short order. Then if the yuan gains in value like the Euro to the dollar, their exports would certainly be more expensive and their exports will drop - which is not what the Chinese want. Or, their money's value will actually fall and instead of being 8 yuan to 1 dollar, it could go to 10 yuan to 1 dollar or more. This would make their exports even cheaper. And actually the Chinese do not want to see this either. They pegged their currency and avoided the Asian financial crisis that devastated Thailand and Indonesia some years ago.

China is becoming more prosperous by the day, but still has a mega population and mega problems that are not visible to the Western world. Anyone from China on the forums who will not feel political repercussions from sharing their opinions please share your thoughts.
 
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