Was Glock really the first polymer DAO pistol?

James Green Dragon

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I always thought so. But not according to this: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg84-e.htm

"...Another then-unique feature was the polymer frame. In fact, the VP-70 was the FIRST EVER productional pisol with polymer frame. The DAO trigger with no manual safeties was alo not so common in the early 1970s..."

Goofy looking bastard though LOL. And apparently the trigger was less than suitable. But I had always assumed Glock was the first in this regard...
 
Gaston would like you to think so but nope,HK was first. The VP-70 could get away with a terrible DAO,it was intended to be used with it`s holster/butt stock which incorperated the selector lever to fire 3rd. bursts. HK also had the P9S which used a polymer grip frame,although it was DA/SA with a decocker. Marcus
 
Nakano 2 said:
Are the Glock series really DAO? It is commonly called a safe- action pistol...

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The Glock pistols are not DAO in the correct sense of the word, as they don't have a "hammer"...They are "stryker-fired".
 
Boy, that brings back memories.

I thought they were a fun gun (I got to shoot one for a day).

Besides the trigger being pretty horrible (but it could be dealt with), it had a strange front sight that made accurate shots a problem for me.
 
Anyone who thinks Glocks are DAO is misinformed. They are considered "Safe Action pistols". The trigger pull is about 3.5 pounds EVERY time you pull the trigger.
 
The way I understand it, the Glock is sorta halfway between DA and SA, or half-cocked.

The VP-70 indeed was the first polymer framed handgun, quite a bit before Glock made such things commonplace. H&K has always been pretty innovative.
 
Power assisted DA is what we are looking for. Glock wasn't the first polymer but was the first to get the whole package right. Polymer wasn't enough to effect a market shift it was their safe/easy to use that helped.
 
reconseed said:
Anyone who thinks Glocks are DAO is misinformed. They are considered "Safe Action pistols". The trigger pull is about 3.5 pounds EVERY time you pull the trigger.
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yes, not double action or single action. striker fired is what glock says.

not all are 3.5, mine is about 5.5 (which i believe is standard from the factory), and i think nypd's are around 9 lbs (or maybe even heavier).
 
thats correct, 5.5 is std, then there is the "new york" trigger, 9lbs IIRC, and also one even heavier, the new york plus IIRC, 12 lbs, the 3.5 isnt reccomended for anything but target shooting and the great majority of glocks have the 5.5.
 
Striker fired or hammer fired has nothing to do with a gun being SA,DA or SA/DA.
A single action auto has to be fully cocked by racking the slide then the trigger releases the hammer or striker to fire the weapon,performing a "single action". The same way almost every bolt action rifle works. In a DA the hammer or striker follows the slide back into battery and the trigger both cocks and releases the hammer or striker,performing two or double actions. In a DAO this is the only possible mode of operation with no manual cocking possible. Racking the slide on a Glock leaves the striker half way cocked, making the trigger pull somewhat shorter and lighter than a true DAO. S&W "DAO" autos also fire from half cock,also making the pull shorter and lighter but they are hammer fired. Safe Action is a marketing term,not a technical one. It should be noted that Springfield XDs who many think of as Glock clones are actually SA. The striker is fully cocked by racking the slide. They call it USA action or some such. It`s a single action with a trigger safety,of course that`s not very catchy sounding. ;) True DAO guns are usually easy to recognize as they have restrike capability like a DA revolver. Guns like the Beretta 92D/96D (hammer fired) and Cobra Arms Patriot .45 (striker fired) are true DAO. Marcus
 
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