Washers?

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Why do liner locks NEED washers at the pivot? Wouldn't a fine finish and some good lubricant work fine? It sure would save me some head aches if I could use the same steel for the spacer that I use for the blade. Anyone ever made or owned a liner lock without pivot washers?
 
From what I've read, the reason for the washers is to give the linner detent ball clearance. I've seen a linner lock without washers, but the scale behinde the lock was releaved to alow the detent ball to clear the blade.

Hope this helps,

William
 
Moreover washers reduce the friction area of the blade against the liners, offering a smoother action.
 
I believe I will Tom.
Will, I thought the same thing and will relieve the inside of the scale.
Why don't slip joints and lock backs need washers but a liner lock does? If the washers are so necessary, why don't suppliers sell precision ground 416 or micarta the thickness of .125 blade steel plus two .020 washers? I'm sure they'd have a big market for it from makers like me that don't have access to a surface grinder.
 
There is an easy way to make liner locks without a surface grinder. If i'm making it with an 1/8 in blade, usually the precision ground stock I buy is slightly oversize, say +.002 so it is actually .127, and the stock I buy to use for my backbar is 5/32 but it is also oversize by a few thousandths .157 . Just use two .010 washers and two .005 and you have made up the difference, .030 Using two .020 washers makes two much of a space between the blade and liner. I sometimes leave only .020 total and use two .010 washers. If there is a couple of thousandths difference it dosen't make that much difference and a little tension on the pivot makes up the difference. Plus after heat treat I usually remove a couple thousandths here and there cleaning up the blade flats and the backbar.

You can see that lockbacks and slipjoints don't have washers because they have that wear mark around the pivot area of the knife. They are also put together with shims so the pins aren't peened too tightly. Or they are made with a brass bushing pressed into the pivot hole in the blade and are .010 thicker than the blade (Ron Lake method)this way there is no wear mark ,and the liners are also relieved.
 
Got that very suggestion in the chat room tonight Striper, thanks!! Got a big order for Sheffield's tomorrow. :D
 
Is 5/32 Micarta something that is available or do you have to grind it down to that? I notice that many makers use this as spacer material.
 
One thing good about washers is that they are easily replaced when they wear. Ever try to fix a slipjoint with a sloppy pivot?
 
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