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Anyone else feel the W&SS forum is a bit watered-down lately? It isn't a bad thing as newbies need basic info but some recent threads really make my head spin. Many have multiple answers that cannot have a single answer. Many are better suited for general knife discussion. Some threads have been opinion based and not grounded in fact and have created more pissing matches than anything else. Many times, I am ready to chime in and then find myself deleting my response and moving on. I understand why RescueRiley has taken a leave of absence and can say I have contemplated it too. Part of my 2010 resolution is to spend less time on-line and more in the outdoors classroom. I'm also going to participate in fewer discussions but will be open to answering questions via PM. Brian Jones told me a while back he let the guys on the W&SS handle the questions and he handled the flamed topics, spammers and BS. I think it is about time I try the same for a little while too. I'm still be here but more so I'll be out there.
 
Sounds like a plan............. ;)

just as an aside, most responses to a question are going to be opinion driven, and subjective. The response does NOT have to be derogatory though, or denigrate the person asking a question.
Way too much of that.........

My plan in 2010 is to just not ask questions. :D
 
Good for you. Less people here means more room for me in 2010 and my reviews I have planned. Now if I can just get rid of Joezilla Ill be the star. llaalalalalalalalaallaaahahhahaahaha. Just teasing
 
Oh boy, another one.... maybe you'll last longer than Riley.

I don't see the point in announcing to everyone your displeasure with the current trend in the forums. Pointing out everything you feel is wrong doesn't help the situation. Yes, you gave us your personal solution which consists of participating less... how does this change things?

Your "Put up or shut up" thread was brilliant and I can already see the tide turning... but this kind of negative contribution drags things down in my opinion.

Walking away from a problem doesn't make it go away.

I admit that I haven't been participating as much as I could and have deleted reply posts, thinking "Why Bother?" My resolution is to not fall into that slump anymore. I intend to "up" my participation and try to make a few of the large, highly picture laiden threads that I used to do.

We are seeing a boom in new folks posting and there will be repeat threads, misinformation and the odd disruptive pissing match... It comes in waves. Lets ride this one out, instead of sitting on the beach pouting. (not directed at Kevin... just my general bitchiness toward everyone... lol)

I'm only being harsh because I enjoy this forum and hate to see good people pull out.... and I haven't had a coffee yet.

Rick
 
I think this is great forum and that is why I hang out here. In stead of saying you are going to go do something, Just go do it and then post the pics of it:D. then we all can learn and share from it:thumbup:.


Bryan
 
Well, one of the reasons for stagnation is because you can't point people who are new to the search feature because they have to pay for that. So, you're either going to answer them and support them or just make it your own little club. Either be a forum...or don't.

On the other hand, you can put a sticky up and they will ignore it and oftentimes ignore demands they use a search feature as well.

I don't begrudge BFC for charging for memberships with certain privs, etc., being able to sell stuff...but the signature line and search features, having to pay for them seems a bit much to me really. And I don't need people with big heads to lecture me on that, especially people that were not even here when the changeover happened...or people that were! Just an opinion.
 
It's the internet.

Especially in the winter there's less trips to post and stuff.

A lot of the threads I see people post now lately it's like they are trying to stimulate some conversation in a normally slow time, so rather than criticize the content I'm more apt to give them the thumbs up for trying to keep some conversation going.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
A lot of the threads I see people post now lately it's like they are trying to stimulate some conversation in a normally slow time, so rather than criticize the content I'm more apt to give them the thumbs up for trying to keep some conversation going.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

One would think that, apparently not.

If I had a few acres, people would get sick of that quickly. :D
 
Well, one of the reasons for stagnation is because you can't point people who are new to the search feature because they have to pay for that. So, you're either going to answer them and support them or just make it your own little club. Either be a forum...or don't.

On the other hand, you can put a sticky up and they will ignore it and oftentimes ignore demands they use a search feature as well.

I don't begrudge BFC for charging for memberships with certain privs, etc., being able to sell stuff...but the signature line and search features, having to pay for them seems a bit much to me really. And I don't need people with big heads to lecture me on that, especially people that were not even here when the changeover happened...or people that were! Just an opinion.

I hear you on the search feature.

I hardly ever post a full review or anything on this forum because it it generally wasted.

The forum moves so fast that after you spend 15 or 20 minutes loading pictures and sizing them down it's only on the first page for maybe 12 hours at most. Not even long enough for all the regulars to see or comment on it.

Then unless you subscribe to it which takes even MORE time you can't use the search feature to kick it up to the top again for another view.
 
I'm largely indifferent although sometimes a streak of pessimism wells up in me.

I'm largely indifferent because ultimately it just boils down to how fast wheat and chaff can be separated client side. True, whatever forum should have screened out to some extent so that the information accords with its aims and objectives, but on no forum can I rely on that to do everything for me. The buck squarely stops with me as to how fast I can pick the informational cherries or how quickly I can allocate someone to the browser bozo bin or or put them on ignore. Given how fast the web is now I don't care so much. It's not like I'm getting suckered into loading gigantic image files of a family making pop tarts in a toaster. Still, I'll agree that some stuff gets repetitive.

Repetition isn't necessarily irritating to me. mtnfolk mike has a thread running on lanyards now. I know I answered a previous thread that was pretty much an exact match with this one. Normally that would make me not bother with the new one, but I was actually temped to go grab some photos for it. So I guess provided the thread is a little different somehow all is good. It just strikes me as stupid when they loop round and round a familiar track like an idiot in a car that doesn't realize he's just gone passed where he started.

As far as the off-topic stuff goes, I sure can find that annoying. However, I tolerate it because of a vital service it provides. As much as I'm not here to join in a backslapping fest, a celebration of some 2yr old having a birthday, random photos of some bloke in a bunch of cities on vacation, whatever, gossip provides a useful function. I see it as the flow of babble like a river, that is necessary for genuine logs or packets of information to float on. In short, whilst I try to filter out the babble I do need it to be there. Although when there's too much gossip babbling along for the amount of logs being carried, or those logs start to look more like turds, I do get a bit despondent.

The last time pissing-contest thing came up I said I thought that wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Two or more people getting into a debate is more interesting to me and often throws up more interesting information that just the backslapping stuff. As far as any notion of contest goes I've got no problems, but there's a whole bunch off dim shit stuff that I could well live without. I've bailed far sooner that I otherwise would precisely because of that. I was into a thread on whether carbon steel is better. We were quite happily knocking some ideas about when a wave a pointless needle just welled up in it. Similarly the coyote thread; whilst I'm totally at peace with the first few pages I'm so glad I bailed before that raggedy arse thread met its tawdry conclusion. Others I've been fortunate enough to have never taken part in but strewth – fingers on triggers people:

What is the protocol for dealing with something trying to bite you in the woods?

1] Avoid it.
2] Take your beats it's probably not going to eat you.
3] 1+2
4] You've been eaten
5] Llarma lips only tickle
6] It's a dog – a)bring tank, b)make spear, c) bucket of hot oil out the window of your ATV, d) you only have a folder, grab throwing stars, e) pop smoke, f) pop poo, g) pop tart.
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It's the internet.

Especially in the winter there's less trips to post and stuff.

A lot of the threads I see people post now lately it's like they are trying to stimulate some conversation in a normally slow time, so rather than criticize the content I'm more apt to give them the thumbs up for trying to keep some conversation going.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

This is my take on this subject as well. IMHO, the best solution for "forum stagnation" is to stir the pot... i.e. start more threads on subjects that you think would be interesting, not to mention participating (and thereby "steering") existing threads. I mean, mods here are picked (from my perspective) because they themselves have a high degree of expertise in the subjects appropriate to W&SS. Am I asking for free services from a professional? Maybe I am. But many of the most instructive threads begin with a thought provoking question, not ready-made do-all answers.

Codger
 
I agree HD.....

I hope to see some winter camping threads soon...I always like those, since im not much of a winter camper.

Ive been trying to post more lately, its just sometimes I dont have anything to say....And some of the pissin match, my opinion is better then yours, my gear is all that works stuff does get old, but hell, its better then TV. In 2010 I am gonna be offline more, and outside more. A lot of goals I have for the year. My last year in my 20s so I want to be in a certain position when I turn 30.....However, I will take pics, and post more threads with some of my experiances, so in essence, I will be around more, without being around as much. Less time cruisin the forum, more time contributing.

I mean, I have to have something to do when Im at work!:D
 
Oh boy, another one.... maybe you'll last longer than Riley.

I don't see the point in announcing to everyone your displeasure with the current trend in the forums. Pointing out everything you feel is wrong doesn't help the situation. Yes, you gave us your personal solution which consists of participating less... how does this change things?

Your "Put up or shut up" thread was brilliant and I can already see the tide turning... but this kind of negative contribution drags things down in my opinion.

Walking away from a problem doesn't make it go away.

I admit that I haven't been participating as much as I could and have deleted reply posts, thinking "Why Bother?" My resolution is to not fall into that slump anymore. I intend to "up" my participation and try to make a few of the large, highly picture laiden threads that I used to do.

We are seeing a boom in new folks posting and there will be repeat threads, misinformation and the odd disruptive pissing match... It comes in waves. Lets ride this one out, instead of sitting on the beach pouting. (not directed at Kevin... just my general bitchiness toward everyone... lol)

I'm only being harsh because I enjoy this forum and hate to see good people pull out.... and I haven't had a coffee yet.

Rick


YAY!!!! I miss your posts.

With overtime, wife, 2 kids (9 yrs and 8 mths) and worrying about paying bills I don't have much time for getting out so I "live" through these forum for my "fix" until I can make time to get out in the woods. Not really complaining, I'm truly blessed in alot of ways. just saying.
 
Well, one of the reasons for stagnation is because you can't point people who are new to the search feature because they have to pay for that. So, you're either going to answer them and support them or just make it your own little club. Either be a forum...or don't.

On the other hand, you can put a sticky up and they will ignore it and oftentimes ignore demands they use a search feature as well.

I don't begrudge BFC for charging for memberships with certain privs, etc., being able to sell stuff...but the signature line and search features, having to pay for them seems a bit much to me really. And I don't need people with big heads to lecture me on that, especially people that were not even here when the changeover happened...or people that were! Just an opinion.

I hear you on the search feature.

I hardly ever post a full review or anything on this forum because it it generally wasted.

The forum moves so fast that after you spend 15 or 20 minutes loading pictures and sizing them down it's only on the first page for maybe 12 hours at most. Not even long enough for all the regulars to see or comment on it.

Then unless you subscribe to it which takes even MORE time you can't use the search feature to kick it up to the top again for another view.


bingo.

as for spending less time online and more time "out there", man i wish i could. However, factor in the cost of gas, the fact that to really get out there where i can ACTUALLY play in the woods uninterrupted i have to drive 10 plus hours to get out of this hellhole city, all that makes it hard for some of us to do so. So we spend more time online.....
 
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.And some of the pissin match, my opinion is better then yours, my gear is all that works stuff does get old, but hell, its better then TV.

Yeah I think sometimes there's a tendency to lock those before they really get hot where back in the day when we had almost no moderation on the forum they more or less played out or the members themselves sort of policed them with Esav coming in only when it was a real problem.
 
Well, one of the reasons for stagnation is because you can't point people who are new to the search feature because they have to pay for that. So, you're either going to answer them and support them or just make it your own little club. Either be a forum...or don't.

On the other hand, you can put a sticky up and they will ignore it and oftentimes ignore demands they use a search feature as well.

I don't begrudge BFC for charging for memberships with certain privs, etc., being able to sell stuff...but the signature line and search features, having to pay for them seems a bit much to me really. And I don't need people with big heads to lecture me on that, especially people that were not even here when the changeover happened...or people that were! Just an opinion.

Don, I agree, and was here before the change over. When I questioned the charging for just about everything, I was bashed a little in response by a certain fatass in NY.

I don't see why people get fed up with this forum in particular. I don't have several thousand posts, but I feel like I'm here a lot. The repetitive questions and silly things don't bother me too much.

We have a great group of people in W&SS that are, for the most part, friendly toward each other and willing to share info. That's what I keep in mind when the silly stuff pops up.
 
Sometimes stepping back is what you need. I was very active here. In August I decided it was time for a break. Not just from W&SS but from all of my regular internet stops. I had seen enough "Ford Vs. Chevy" and "Coke Vs. Pepsi" threads and "which widget should I buy?" if you know what I mean.

As for there being less trips in the winter as hollowdweller mentioned. That's the other reason I'm back. Staying indoors is too easy in the winter. I need you folks to motivate me :p.
 
tis the season for cabin fever.

now, enough chitychaty, lets git these following topics posted up and going:

- ultralight gear
- SAR - should people pay?
- MORA's - why?
- batonning = knife abuse?
- gear vs no gear (gear lovers vs Luddite primitive lovers)



kidding kidding!
 
Sorry if us newbs are bringing you down.

You can still search bladeforums.com, even if you are a non-paying new member (like me). If you want to search Blade Forums for "Randall Knives", just go to Google and put in your search like this:

randall knives site:www.bladeforums.com

Substitute whatever you want for "randall knives." Just put "site:www.bladeforums.com" after your Google search terms. Google is surprisingly current.
 
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