Waterstones decisions, decisions

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I have been trying to decide on water stones for years. There so many options I can't decide. This will be my first set. After reading everything I can im not worried about a shiny edge right now. I want to re profile and get a really good working edge.

How about Shapton glass 500 to re profile and either a 2k green brick or a Chosera pro 3k?

Is that too big of a step between the 2

My blades are everything from D2 to s90v

Thanks
 
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Waterstones will work for the D2 but do not work all that well with s90v. At least not in my limited experience. S90v that I sharpened liked a toothy edge from a fine DMT. I personally have no experience with the shapton glass but I love the pro line. I have all the pros from 120 to 30k and I don't think there is a single stone I wouldn't buy again. The 2k green brick is a wonderful stone I love it very much and I have never seen anyone have any complaints. Never used the chosera line either. My suggestion would be get a coarse or extra coarse DMT or an atoma 400 (you will want one to flatten waterstones most likely anyway.) To do your coarse work and then a shapton 1k either glass or pro. I think most people would suggest the glass for those steels. And then follow that with another glass or pro in the 2k to 5k range. Have fun falling down the rabbit hole!
 
Thanks the s90v im not really worried about. It's a 0095 ZT.

Thanks for the input. I really been struggling with this decision 10 years. I can get a knife sharpe and put any kind of edge I want

I just can't do I nice bevel
 
Ok well I haven't found a low grit waterstone that I like other than the shapton 120, 220, and 320. They are all too soft I think. I actually prefer norton crystolon and India stones for coarse work over the shaptons now. I use them with tap magic tapping oil. I have been moving away from diamonds for my coarse work for the most part.
 
Thats why I was thinking the Glass for coarse work. I was afraid the water stones be too soft

I'm torn because I'm afraid the glass stone, while it will do the bevel, it will put marks in the bevel that a 2k or 3k can't get out

The bevel I don't need polished but I want it really cleaned up

I'll get a 6k+ later

I'm off for 10 days starting Friday. I'm ordering tonight. I can enjoy learning
 
A 1k stone cleans up the scratches from a coarse waterstone pretty easy. A 2k takes a little more time but its not bad. If you get a naniwa 2k green brick of joy it will be easier to miss some scratches that pop out on you when you put a higher polish because the slurry leaves a really even Matte finish. The only times I have every had real trouble cleaning up coarse work was when my atoma 140 was brand new. No problems after it got broke in.
 
Cap’njake “the green brick of joy”
Is that a real name? Ive heard that name mention recently someplace
 
Not a real name. It is a term some people use for the Naniwa Aotoshi 2K Green Brick.
 
Water stones are not idea to cut d2 or S90V due to vanadium carbides. Check out diamond water stones






This one didnt embed cause there were to many videos in the post. its just sharpening, no talking....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9vGB6gih2g

@DeadboxHero is the guy you would ask if you want more details. i use the venev bonded diamond stones on my KME and also just free handed using them the other day (the kme stones are really too small to freehand tho, but they do have sizes for hapstone and edgepro that are larger, or the double sided bench stones as discussed in the videos.

waterstones can sharpen s90v and d2... but the abrasives in them are not idea to cut vanadium. you will get a sharp edge, you wont get optimal edge imho.
 
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Cap’njake “the green brick of joy”
Is that a real name? Ive heard that name mention recently someplace
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As often as it is called that it might as well be a real name for it. It is called that because it is probably one of the best feeling stones to sharpen on. It has amazing feedback and using the mud you can put a really nice polish on a knife too.
 
i got the green brick on the way. I figured I can't screw an edge up too bad with that.
I need an inexpensive diamond stone. I got a DMT blue from the pro aligner set, but I don't feel it's big enough to really re profile.

Is the diamond stones for edge pro big enough? I just don't know.

Need to know an inexpensive diamond and grit. Which grit has got me stumped on ordering
 
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I have a slight problem with this chart because I read that Silicon Carbide abrasives (Carborundum) were developed to sharpen Tungsten Carbide tool bits. According to the chart, Tungsten Carbide is harder than Silicon Carbide. There are several formulations for Tungsten Carbide alloys used in tool bits, but if the basic WC particles used in the bits are harder than the abrasive, I do not think the grinding would be very efficient.
 
k12s said:
i got the green brick on the way. I figured I can't screw an edge up too bad with that.
I need an inexpensive diamond stone. I got a DMT blue from the pro aligner set, but I don't feel it's big enough to really re profile.

Is the diamond stones for edge pro big enough? I just don't know.

Need to know an inexpensive diamond and grit. Which grit has got me stumped on ordering
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It is a slow pain to try any heavy work on such small things like aligner diamond plates. I know it is kinda pricey but getting a good dmt xc or an atoma 400 is probably the easiest. They are worth the money.
 
k12s said:
i got the green brick on the way. I figured I can't screw an edge up too bad with that.
I need an inexpensive diamond stone. I got a DMT blue from the pro aligner set, but I don't feel it's big enough to really re profile.

Is the diamond stones for edge pro big enough? I just don't know.

Need to know an inexpensive diamond and grit. Which grit has got me stumped on ordering
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You will eventually want to get a diamond plate.
Chef knives to go has a couple in the 30 dollar range that are excellent for flattening stones.

The green brick is a nice stone and I actually use the DMT Aligner plates to clean it and raise slurry but for flattening a 3x8 is the way to go.
 
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