Wave Lawsuites, etc

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panama

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This needs to be said. Many of us have bought Emerson knives, I have about 10 at present. I like Emerson and his products, he is an asset to the knife community for sure, zero doubts on this. To make the Emerson knives wave reliably one has to loosen them to the point of blade wobble, not good. We all know spyderco knives wave better than Emerson. Cold steel has knives that also wave very nice. Cold Steel has money and is a big boy and can take care of himself in a lawsuit and has fangs and can fight back. Doubtful Emerson would want to tangle with Cold Steel on a patent lawsuit. Why do we try to dump on people that make knives that will open on pulling out of the pocket when they can also be assets to the knive community and they may be able to get a legal way of doing it. If the competition gets tense Emerson will have to rework his wave knives and get them as good as the spyderco waves. This encourages competition from which the knife community benefits. Using the patent courts like a stick is what the monopolies do and then the consumers lose. I am not advocating wiping feet on patent laws but they are ways to lawfully accomplish the same effect without violating patents. Imagine saying schrade should sue everyone making pocket folders.
 
thats all very debatable imho, for one thing you certainly do not have to loosen the pivot up at all to wave it correctly, if thats your experience then ya dont know how to do it right because all of mine wave fine with nary a trace of blade wobble, etc, cold steal shouldnt wave knives because ernie owns the patent on that and its wrong to use the intellectual property of others with no compensation, simple as that.

we also dont "all know" that spydies wave better than EKI's, i dont think they do.i also dont know why "this needs to be said" lol.

ernie is in the right, plain and simple, its his idea.
 
I believe spyderco pays ernie to use the wave concept which means they sat down and negotiated a contract which they both were happy with.
Perhaps Emerson should come out with a line of wave pants that lend themself to making the wave design work well, could be a market for $89 jeans with a wave pocket built in. Then California could legislate a law against pants design for wave knives.
There are other posters who feel the spydercos wave better than the emersons, it is not a random rambling.
 
I think your opinion of the wave is debatable, matter of fact, I disagree. I have NEVER had to loosen a pivot screw to wave better, and I am sure either have a lot of people. The Spydercos I have seen wave well too, but not to the extent of any Emerson knife I own. As for Cold Steel, the man has ethical issues, so it doesn't surprise me that he would infringe on the patent.

The word here is the patent. Does anyone own it bedsides the Emersons? Not that I am aware of. Should people ask before they mod their own knives with this feature? They should.

So if you owned a patent, would you be bothered if people copied you and gave you no credit or respect?
 
Definately never had to lossen the pivots on any Emerson I've owned. As for the rest, I don't know. But I'm not a fan of C.S. bussiness practices for sure. I also wouldn't think people need to go bothering Emerson if they want a personal knife waved, as long as it's for personal usage.
 
I have never need to losen the pivots either. STR does wave mods on knives for his customers and he personally asked Ernie permission to perform them first.
 
Andrew Demko patented his pocket opener that Cold Steel uses. Its perfectly legal, and legit, all above board and nothing to get bent out of shape about. Andy is a class act, a super nice guy and a friend. He gave me permission to use that one he patented just like Ernie did his but I understand that Lynn Thompson is buying or maybe at this writing has already bought the rights to Andy's patent from him so I may not be able to use it anymore.

It was only on another forum that everyone ganged up on Andy like he did something wrong for patenting an idea which is no different than Ernie did when he patented his. It happened to me also. Even after those with a stick up their craw about my Wave mods and what I posted over there found out I was above board they still frowned on them and didn't want me to post anymore even though I had Ernie's blessing. In fact I got hate mail and threats when I did post them and of all kinds from comments like what they thought of me and what they would like to say or do if they bumped into me at a show one day all for having the nerve to dare make a Wave mod on a folding blade.

Frankly I'm surprised either one of these guys even got the idea past the patent office. For it to be approved it has to be 'original' and I know the idea for doing this type opening of a folder has been around since people accidentally did it with their slide on one hand opener devices they stuck on Buck 110 folders and I personally remember seeing people tie zip ties in folders they either drilled holes in the blades on or bought that way to make them do the same thing and this was in the 80s.

But IP is IP and when it comes to intellectual property I wanted it to be above board so I asked. Ernie was very gracious and so was Andy. These guys need to be left alone folks. They are fine.

STR
 
The way Coldsteel gets away with it is the patent is for that exact design wave and Coldsteel does not call it a wave. I have never had to loosen my pivot either on my Emerson's. It comes down to training with the wave so you can do it every time. There is a little trick to making sure the knife opens every time, and you have to work on it just like you do to open a folder with a flick of the wrist effectively. Practice makes perfect!
 
panama said:
I believe spyderco pays ernie to use the wave concept which means they sat down and negotiated a contract which they both were happy with.
Perhaps Emerson should come out with a line of wave pants that lend themself to making the wave design work well, could be a market for $89 jeans with a wave pocket built in. Then California could legislate a law against pants design for wave knives.
There are other posters who feel the spydercos wave better than the emersons, it is not a random rambling.
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i see no reason for any special jeans to facilitate waving, again, ya dont need them.

as far as "X" waving better than "Y" i dont undertsand if it waves open correctly, like it was designed, and does it everytime, how does one wave better than the other?? if ya mean because the wave is bigger on spydies i agaon disagree i have EKI's with several diff size waves and they all work fine every time, i dont know how ya could measure any diff between the diff sizes myself, it either works or it dont.

ya might come closer to winning this on the spydie forum vs the EKI forum lol.
 
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