Weird...

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Well, I received my sixth Byrd Cara Cara 2 FRN (plain edge) yesterday. The Amazon box was a nice welcome to a crappy day. Everything looked great, but I noticed that no matter how much I loosened or tightened the pivot pin screw, the blade had slop in it. I used Tuff Glide as lube, then tried again. There was a definite grinding feel, and I couldn't eliminate side-to-side blade play. After using a flashlight to inspect everything, I found out why: there were no phosphor bronze bushings in the knife. There were no bushings at all! So, it's into the spare parts box to find some. Not a problem; I found some that weren't too thick or too thin, with the right center hole size.

Taking the knife apart to get the bushings in was impossible. I've taken apart many Byrds and Spydercos, but this was different. The pivot pin screw came out just fine, as did the first handle screw. The other handle screws, however, were stripped. Perfectly rounded in the middle. I don't have a way to get them out, and I'm not going to Dremel some slots in them to make a $20 knife a little better. So, I removed the pivot pin and used a flathead screwdriver to pry the handles apart a little bit. Pivot pin goes in just enough that it is over the first liner, then drop the first bushing on and line it up. Then put the blade over the bushing and push the pivot pin in a little past the blade. Then the second bushing. I had to use a small set of pliers to get the second liner / handle scale lined up, then test the lockback. It works. The handle screw goes in next, then the pivot pin screw. Tighten. Everything is good. Take out the pivot pin screw, apply a drop of Loctite, then tighten. Tuff Glide the pivot. Everything is fine now; the knife is what I expected from Byrd.

I'm wondering how this knife passed inspection though; missing both bushings is bad enough, but three out of four handle screws are stripped from the factory?
 
What make you think it came from the factory that way? Was it in a heat-sealed plastic sleeve inside the box? Odds are it had been returned to Amazon before.
 
What make you think it came from the factory that way? Was it in a heat-sealed plastic sleeve inside the box? Odds are it had been returned to Amazon before.

It was in a clear, plastic baggy (sleeve?) with the typical industrial-style integrated adhesive strip. You've seen them on knives before. Not impossible to get back together perfectly, but everything - the knife, the blade, the clip, the box, the baggy - was all clean and looked new. The knife is fine now with the exception of the stripped screws. If it was a return, aren't they obligated to say so? Not doubting Spyderco or anything, just wondering.
 
There was a story on the forums a year or 2 ago about someone that bought a knife from Amazon. They received what appeared to be a used knife. Naturally, it was sent back, but not before it was photographed in detail. About a month later, someone posted about the same knife model and they scored a deal, etc., etc. turns out the second guy was shipped the exact same knife the first guy had sent back. Photos evidently showed the same scuffs and scratches as the first photos.
I don't think they are obligated to say anything, they don't in my experience. The lesson I learned from that was to be loyal to the few shops I do buy knives from.
 
I would think most little Amazon shops get a return and just throw it back into inventory. If someone just returns it they probably don't suspect it has been messed with and I'm sure there are a few that don't care if it has. They probably assume the average person wouldn't notice anyways. Not sure why someone would take the bushings out though.
 
Sorry about that J. Sounds like a lot of hassle. You could have sent it to us. It does seem strange, but I guess nothing is impossible. It does sound like the knife was prevously taken apart by an amateur. Buy the knife, play with it, take it apart, then send it back for a refund or another knife. There are a lot more horses asses out there than there are horses. But without knowing for sure, I can't say.

Maybe we could use you in customer service? ;)

sal
 
I cant comment on your knife in particular. I suppose anything is possible....especially coming from Amazon. However as you stated the knife looked new and didn't appear to be tampered with. I have heard numerous reports lately of stripped out screws on the Byrd line of knives. Enough to convince me that they weren't all previously returned knives.
In any event, it sounds like you were able to tinker with it and fix it up. If not, you still have the option to send it back to Spyderco.
 
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