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Scattermanbf posted a question in the sticky up top, so I thought to give him his own thread. It has been a while since this pattern has been discussed here. I'll start by quoting my own post from a while back for some general pattern information and a quick photo.
The year 1959 was an interesting one. Dwight Eisenhower, WWII General was president of the U.S. and Nakita Khrushchev headed the Soviet Union, Caastro had just taken over Cuba as Batista flees Havana. The islands of Hawaii and the Alaskan Territory became states, "Mack the Knife" by Bobby Darin and "Battle Of New Orleans" by Johnny Horton were hit songs, Charlton Heston won the Academy award for best actor for his performance in "Ben Hur". Cars reached their zenith in fins and chrome, Ford announces the demise of the Edsel, and New York City considered lobbying for statehood. Top shows on television were Gunsmoke, Wagon Train, Have Gun Will Travel, The Danny Thomas Show, The Red Skeleton Show, and Father Knows Best. IBM shipped the transistor-based IBM 1401 mainframe computer. A new car cost $2,000, and gas for it was twenty five cents a gallon.

The last of the "Baby Boomer" generation is born in 1959, comprising nearly one third of today's adult population. The power, political and economic, was in the hands of their fathers, the "Greatest Generation". They had a different way of looking at the world than their children, or even their younger brothers and sisters. Their attitudes towards life were formed during the Great Depression and World War II. They grew up in tough times. As a result, their core values are discipline, hard work, self-denial, obedience to authority and financial conservatism. JFK’s “ask not what your country can do for you…” sums up their commitment to bettering society.

It was this generation, returned from WWII and Korea, that led an industrial revolution in America and founded an era new prosperity with their hard work and inginuity. As more disposable income became available to the average Joe, so did more leisure time. A new generation of sportsmen took advantage of the wildlife and fisheries restoration efforts of their fathers, becoming a generation of outdoorsmen. Surplused military equipment (knives, guns, sleeping bags and tents) were in great demand from the men to whom they were so familiar, but then soon there was a demand for new, improved products for the outdoorsman. Schrade-Walden Cutlery was there to provide it just as they provided knives for the war years.

In 1959 Schrade-Walden Cutlery was located in their new modern factory in Ellenville, having moved from the old building in Walden New York the year before. Enthusiastic about their new home after being in the old factory for more than half a century, the list of knives they produced included over seventy folder patterns and twelve fixed blade hunting knife patterns.

One of the new fixed blade hunters was called....the H-15 "Utility Hunter". It was produced in four variants the first year, and was a marketing success under both the Schrade-Walden and Imperial tangstamps. Always an important retail outlet for Schrade knives, Sears Roebuck & Company had a large number of the H-15s private stamped and sold them to their sporting goods customers. So successful was the H-15 that it was sold through 1975.

The H-15 represented what Schrade-Walden was known for, an honest quality knife at a good price. Based loosely on the earlier Imperial M3 military knife, the design had a broad appeal to the targeted generation. Nowdays, you will frequently see them described as military fighting knives, but they never were. They were civillian hunting knives from day one.

The Utility Hunter had a saber ground five inch clip point carbon steel blade, an overall length of 9 3/4" including the aluminum guard, leather disc handle, and enlarged aluminum disc pommel. Plastic spacers on each end of the leather handle were brown, red, or black.

The H-15 represents a good value today to the collector, and are not hard to find in excellent condition. As with any older carbon blades, examples without patina or peppering bring a premium, but prices are very reasonable still. The varients are much more uncommon, and among these, the Craftsman marked knives are most often seen.

Codger


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370340&highlight=H-15



Now, the H-15 Utility Hunter was one variant of the predecessor 138 Bowie Hunter introduced a few years earlier. Here is a bit about the predecessors.

The #138 "Bowie Hunter" had a 9 3/4" overall length, a saber ground carbon steel 5 1/8" clip point blade, leather washer handle with spacers, curved aluminum bowie style guard, and aluminum flat pommel. This pattern was a varient of the H-15. It was cataloged in1957, two years before the introduction of the H-15. It listed for $3.95 in 1962. 1973 ½ was the last year for this pattern, and it listed for $8.00.



The #144 Hunter’s Pride (144L) appeared in the 1957 price list, but with no description or illustration. In the 1959 catalog, it is illustrated, but not described. Finally, in 1961 we find a complete description and viewable illustration. The 144 has an overall length of 9 3/4", a plain ground carbon steel clip point blade, grooved leather washer handle with plastic spacers front and rear, symetrical upper and lower guard, and flat metal butt plate. It listed for $3.95 in 1962, $4.65 in 1964, and $6.75 in 1969, the last year listed.



The H-15 "Utility Hunter" had a 9 3/4" overall length, 5" high carbon stainless steel saber ground blade, leather washer handle with spacers, aluminum guard, and aluminum flat pommel. It was first cataloged in 1959.

The H-15WE "Utility Hunter" had a 9 3/4" overall length, 5" high carbon stainless steel saber ground blade with the serrated "Wonda-Edge", leather washer handle with spacers, aluminum guard, and aluminum flat pommel. It was also cataloged in 1959.



By the late sixties, the leather washer handled knives were falling out of favor with both buyers and manufacturers, and Schrade experimented with different molded plastics for the handles. A few patterns continued to be made with the traditional leather handles, like the 138L, seen as late as 1973, and H-15 still in the 1975 catalog.

The #138L was unnamed in the 1973 catalog, but was the same basic H-15 predecessor earlier known as the #138 "Bowie Hunter" in 1961. It still had a 9 3/4" overall length, a saber ground carbon steel 5 1/8" clip point blade, leather washer handle with spacers, curved aluminum bowie style guard, and aluminum flat pommel.

But for the most part, other than on the H-15 and it's varients, the classic traditional leather handle were discontinued. One last Hurrah for them was a series of knives made from 1973 to 1979 (the 498S was produced again in 1983), the comemorative "49'er Bench Made Collection" series.

I hope this answered your questions and also brought forward some buried research I did a while back.

Michael
 
It would be hard to add anything significant to that Michael, except maybe to say that there are still some out there to be found in good condition.
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Very nice! That is one I need to add to my own collection. I don't have to tell you that the early etches are the first things to go on those knives. They were rather light to begin with, so finding one with a nice, dark, full etch is a treat! Do you have either of the others in similar conditions?

Michael

PS: Arnold, can you share your's here too?
 
No Michael, this is the only one I have from this series. Did I detect a bit of a grovel in there? Maybe we can work out a trade some day.
Thanks Rick
 
The H-15 model handles really well for detail work given its size. I have found if you hold it in a conventional "fist" grip it has the properties of a large fixed blade; but, because of its handle shape and the fact that the finger guard doesn't extend above the top of the handle, you can safely get your index finger far enough out over the top of the blade to have excellent control for detailed skinning work, etc..
 
Actually Rick, I am going to concentrate on trying to get some of the Woodsman pattern knives I am needing. I've not had much luck lately. Gotta start using some koala traps!
 
Hey Codger (or anyone else that might know the answer),

Is there any way to tell the age of the H-15? In reading the above post, it seems they used the Schrade-Walden stamp after moving to Ellensville so is there any way to properly age the knife below? I saw it going real cheap on E-bay and while I'm not into fixed blades, I figured it'd make a good deer knife just the same. Thanks!
Marc

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.....Koala Bear Traps.?....do I detect a Desciple? Just like the Hammer Brand Michael!......as my sex therapist tells me.."use it or lose it".......Hoo Roo
 
From Down Under arrived these photos this evening.. Im waiting for the rest of the collection to arrive... Enjoy

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Thanks loads!
The info on the bowie style Shcrade-Walden is very helpful. My 1962 purchase is ALMOST exactly like the Bowie Hunter picture posted by Upstream . I has a steel, bowie style guard (slightly "S" curved) but has small "V" shaped rings cut into the leather washers much like the 144L "Hunter's Pride" drawing, but considerably smaller cuts. Another difference is that mine has only red plastic, not black and white spacers like Upstream's knife. The pommel is steel also. Since the blade grind is like the Bowie Hunter and the guard and pommel are steel, I assume I have some variation of the Bowie Hunter, but mine never had any etching on the blade.
Still visible on the original sheath is "3.00" - the price I paid in the summer of '62 (or '63?) with part of the funds I got from brush painting a frame house!!! Purchased from Carter's 5 & 10 in Dallas, Tx. My original leather sheath is a one piece, folded model with both a large belt loop (end terminates inside the sheath) AND belt cuts on the back of that loop. 4 rivets on edge side of sheath & one spine side of sheath. Stitching on edge side of sheath. Leather fold covers spine of blade.
If I can figure out how to post pix I will try to do that in the next few days.
Thanks again for the info and your time. I own about 20+ knives but am not really a collector... just an avid sportsman in Colorado! I enjoy your well-done forum! -Scattermanbf
 
Oops... nearly forgot.
I know it is carbon steel... anyone have any idea of what kind? - 1095, etc? Does any info exist in the old records, etc?
Scattermanbf
 
Kind of ironic this thread is so fresh I hit a antique store going out of business a couple of towns away and offered the guy $65 for this pair of H-15's he originally wanted $55 each we agreed at $68. The one says SCHRADE-WALDEN N.Y. U.S.A. and has H-15 on the opposite side and the other says SCHRADE N.Y.USA H-15 all on the same side and both came with a sheath. are these 2 pretty common and how bad did I get hurt on the price?
 
I just want everyone to know that I posted this in the schrade forum and someone in there gave me this link. I read it and it's been helpful, but still doesn't tell me much about this particular knife. The guard is a different shape and the pommel is steel. The following is the original post from the other group. Thanks for any help.
I got this knife when my father passed away and I was wondering how old it is. I couldn't find much about Imperial on the web as far as knife ID'ing. If anyone knows anything about this knife or a web address where I can find out it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Here are some pics, it's stamped Imperial Prov. R.I. with USA written vertically to the right.
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...The #144 Hunter’s Pride (144L) appeared in the 1957 price list, but with no description or illustration. In the 1959 catalog, it is illustrated, but not described. Finally, in 1961 we find a complete description and viewable illustration. The 144 has an overall length of 9 3/4", a plain ground carbon steel clip point blade, grooved leather washer handle with plastic spacers front and rear, symetrical upper and lower guard, and flat metal butt plate. It listed for $3.95 in 1962, $4.65 in 1964, and $6.75 in 1969, the last year listed...

Michael

1957-1969 is an estimate of the age. The Imperial variants were produced during the same approximate time period as the Schrade Walden variants. The tang stamp tells us this:

This is from a back issue of Knife World Magazine.

If this does not answer your questions to your satisfaction, try your question and picures in the Bernard Levine Knife Identification forum. Menu at the top, "General", then BRL forum.

Michael
 
Thank you. I saw the similiarities to that knife, but the guard is different and there's no writing on mine. Also the maker is different. I now know that they're the same as say chevy and pontiac. I appreciate your help and everyone else who had something to say. That last post told me what I needed to know. I have some other knives I'm curious about, but that'll wait for another day. Thanks again.
 
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