Well dressed - but still just a cheap tart!!

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Hello Chaps,

I was perusing the columns of a well known auction site, when I saw an intriguing scan.... looked familiar, but not, if you know what I mean.

Clicked the link, and there it was, a huge liner lock, with what appeared to be the blade from and Emerson Commander, and the frame, and scales from the Sark/Raven models. It was very cheap, $18, and was just described as a 'Big, strong, linerlock hunting knife'

I bought it by instant purchas, and yesterday, it arrived through the door.

It was not, as I had half hoped, and obscure Emerson design, but a close approximation of an Emerson, a montage of styles, if you like, and it had on the blade the dreaded words 'MADE IN CHINA'

I played with it for a while, and became quite impressed, not because of it's quality, which at best can be described as 'functional', but impressed nonetheless, because of what you get for your money!!

The scales were some sort of polymer, that were matted, and felt as though they were reasonably strong. A quick rub with a large grit paper would make them much more acceptable. The liners were stainless, and thicker than the Emersons, but what impressed me was the lock up, which was instant, and strong, the liner engaging it's full with on the blade ramp, without hesitation. For such a strong lock, it was quite easy to release, a bit of firm pressure, and it disengaged with a satisfying 'pop'.

The blade..... Looks the business, absolutely. A direct copy of the Emerson, right down to the 'wave', and disk thumb stud. The grind lines were obviously not as pronounced or as sharp as the Emerson, but then again the blade probably cost only a few cents to manufacture, and was probably machine ground. The edge was conventional V grind, and scary sharp, quite unlike the semi chisel grind on the Emerson.

The scales were secured to the frames with torx fasteners, which were threaded into the frame. The pivot pin was as large as the Emerson, material unknown, but on disassembly, there were no bushes, washers etc, just metal to metal, and grease. Seemed to work quite well though.

You don't get 154CM for this money. Probably 420, possibly, if you stretch the imagination, proprietory 440. Both will take a fantastic edge, but not hold it for too long.

Worth the money? Probably not in the context of quality. In the terms of an every day knife that will be used, and badly abused... a qualified yes. I wouldn't want to put too much lateral pressure on that blade though........

Doug
 

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You don't get 154CM for this money. Probably 420, possibly, if you stretch the imagination, proprietory 440.

Or maybe pot steel.

Pot steel is the original recycled material made by taking scraps of any sort of steel that one can collect up and melting them together in a big pot. It's steel with the basic characteristics of any steel, but without the special characteristics of any one specialized alloy.

Pot steel is a very economical alternative for many applications. There's a good market for it. But for blades... well... it generally will take a reasonable edge; that's just a characteristic of steel, just an ability to hold a shape. But, that edge generally don't be very durable since it lacks the carbon content of most blade steels and, in fact, probably has pretty high vandium and chromium contents.
 
too funny!!!

Ive seen some pretty good copies of benchmades, emersons, spydercos, daryl ralphs, crawfords, ect the copies look pretty good. Aside from the fact these people are cheating and stealing, or altering designs, it insults the makers designs by passing off junk that resembles their pieces.

Ive seen some really funny knock-offs of kershaw whirlwinds that were the same, except instead of the torsion bar it had a curved spring, and cost $9.99!! (was also a piece of junk).:rolleyes:
 
The blade looks like a copy of the Emerson's, but the handle looks just like the Crkt Crawford/Kasper.
 
Reminds me of an old comedy show, can't remember the name.

"Adidems, just like like Adidas, but you get the extra stripe for free!"

Just another POS garbage chinese knife. They seem to copy all the good designs. Makes it hard for honest, hardworking knifemakers to make a living. Why bother coming up with new features and designs if you're going to be knocked off within a week?

They might as well go whole hog; name the company "Emirson" or "Ehmerson" or "Emerrson", and name the knife "Co-mmander".

What crap. I would never buy a POS like that, and support the people who hurt decent makers. I wonder how many hardworking Americans will buy one of those thinking they're getting a heck of a deal on an Emerson.

It's interesting that the handles/liners are so similar to CRKT's Crawford/Kasper. I wonder if they're from the same factory. I'm suprised it doesn't have the LAWKS on it as well.

-- Rob
 
yes rob, its sad to think that even with international patent laws, it makes no difference to certain manufacturers in certain countries, and also some of these countries do not recognize these (patent laws) also.

Reminds me of some chips ahoy cookie clones at meijer called "chemy chipsters !!!"


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


sad to think people spend their hard earned money on this well...ummm..."junk".
 
You know, I might be bad for saying this, but I just might buy one to grind down the edge and point. That would make a decent "cheap" trainer to go with my Mini Commander. I wish I could convince myself that I need a $100 training knife, but I can't. I would easily pay 20-30 for a knife and gridn the edge down. I did this with one of my Gerber EZ-Outs just because I had 4 of them.

Mike
 
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