Went Slightly Nuts Today

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Was over at SMKW, wanted one of those Norton coarse/fine India stones (they seem to have a great price on em), but couldn't justify that alone (shipping you know). So I got a middleman stock second and an "outfitter" sc141 fixed blade (actually cheaper at 12.99 than the middleman).

How are the seconds? Am I going to get 1095 or Schrade +?

The outfitter has always looked nice to me as a user. Guess we'll see.
 
The Safe-T-Grip series (140, 141, 142, 143, 146, 147, 247, 43, 47, 49OT) were all Schrade+. The 141OT is a nice size general purpose sheath knife, 9 1/2" long with a 4 5/16 drop point blade, weighing 5.3 ounces. It has the same grip as the rest of the fixed blades in the series. One molding was used on them all. A second might be a scratch on the blade, or a scrape in the TPR handle, or a slightly off upper grind line. Definately a good user. And since the last MSRP was $35.95 in 2003, the price is definately right.

I can't say about the blade material of the little middleman, as mix-n-match was pretty common in the last couple of years. Either way, it will be a good user, or if the walk and talk is lame and deaf, it will make a good display.

Codger
 
Thanks Codger.

It didnt say the outfitter was a second, but packaging (box, clam, bulk) and sheath (appears there's really only one for these) are up in the air.

I had bought a UH287 for posterity when Schrade closed. Then I realized that a UH isn't really representative, so I wanted an OT (Ive lost half a dozen over the years). Both are probably drawer-queens. The outfitter, on the other hand . . . . .
 
I can't see how you would be disappointed with the Outfitter. It does caftish and deer equally well, though it is a bit light for my tastes for deer. I have used a 165OT or 15OT for the heavier cuts on deer since the early seventies, and sometimes a 152OT for the skinning, but used the 140OT last year on a deer and was pleased. The 140OT Trail Boss, as you know, is the slightly longer fullered clip blade version of the Outfitter. A few ounces heavier and different tip design, but the same handle and steel. For the record, I also did up a deer with a 156OT (sweet little knife!), 154OT (good skinner design), and three other different Schrade Old Timer blades as a test. All performed the job, though each did different things better and with less effort.

And the sheaths are out there if yours is without one. I admit the ballistic nylon sheaths that came with these are esthetically challenged, but with the hard plastic inserts and heavy material, they were much better designed than the X-Timer sheaths which followed.

Yes, I was prejudiced against the Schrade+ steel for years. My "greenies" sat unused and ignored in my knife drawer while I lavished my 1095 carbon blades with care and used them with pride, patina and all. The 400 series stainless does require different sharpening techniques I have found. But once sharpened, if never used till completely dull, retouching is relatively painless. And it does not require a shop grinder or ax file to do it.

I admit that the fire sale prices induced me to get the rest of the series, buying four or five for the original price of one, but these knives, far more than the space debris knives, were worth their original prices as user knives....tools. Mankind's oldest tool, if I remember my years as a caveman right.

Codger
 
It so happens that other than my BSA scouter (5 blade "deluxe" Ulster) and a couple of my grandfather's Schrade Waldens, the 156OT is the only other Schrade I had (remaining) before the UH recently acquired and those en route. A sweet little knife indeed. I need a sheath for it, though, and havent gotten around to having one made.
 
Those 156 sheaths are also out there. Ask and ye shall get a lead. The full folded sheath perfectly envelopes the knife without straps, snaps, buckles, or flaps. I have seen them on Schradebay supplied with some of the reject knives, and in some sheath lots being sold. Shame that knife was only produced for six or seven years. It does feel natural and good in the hand. And does work well beyond what you would expect for such a small blade (2 3/16")

Codger
 
Ask and ye shall get a lead.

I'm askin :D

I'm aware that on-scene tactical has some kydex for it, but I'm not convinced kydex is right for that knife.

Also, what techniques do you find useful for the 4xx steel? Frankly, I have more experience (recently) sharpening stainless and D2 than plain carbon. The carbon seems much easier (I really razored up that Scout not too long ago). I have sweaty hands, though, and it seems that in a good bout of whittling or use in the hand, the sweat not only patinates the carbon blades (ok) but even gets to the edge a little bit.
 
Well..... ask TedGamble. He and I have had a running conversation on the subject of sharpening stainless and he has no doubt put in a few hours experimenting in the last week or two. Search the recent threads here too. If you don't find your answers either place, Phil, Larry, and others will give you the links and their techniques. I'm a diamond hone kinda guy on stainless. The chromium and nickle show me no mercy, and I return the favor.

Codger
 
Got the Schrades in today. The middleman stock (34OT) is about as nice an OT as I have ever seen. It is a second b/c the "Schrade" is ground off the tang of the main blade. The ONLY thing I can see wrong with it is just a tad of space between liners and springs. But frankly, Ive seen non-second OTs that are worse in walk/talk, grind, fit/finish. A great little memento of Schrade.

The outfitter. Whoa it has a beefy giant handle. I have big hands or I would freak out. It's almost too big for the blade. Mighty comfy though and has a pretty nice hunk of 420 or 440 hanging out of it. It came packaged completely normally in an OT box with the little nylon sheath that aesthetically leaves a bit to be desired but functionally seems to be A-OK.

I'm pleased.

The Norton coarse/fine India stone is less coarse and less fine than I had thought, but I imagine it will be a good implement.
 
I didnt see any other stockmen at SMKW. Oddly enough, search Schrade and you dont come up with the real OTs, just the unspeakables. Search Old Timer and voila, you get the seconds. I saw the middleman jack and middleman stockman. If my "second" 34ot is representative, I'd snap em up, theyre nice!
 
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