Whales of Nepal - uh, would you believe dolphins instead? How about...

Rusty

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Forget the Yeti. Try to swallow this story that there really are dolphins in Nepal, believe it or not. In the jungles, of course. I didn't think you would.

Now would I pull your leg?

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Rusty,
Who would have believed that there were some of those critters waaaaay up the Amazon river? BUT, they're there.
So it depends on the navigatibility of the rivers, or as the rivers once were and got 'em locked in up stream.
Just what have you heared ,read or are you just spoofin'?
Dan
 
They have gangetic dolphins up in the river(s) that runs up into the terai, the jungle area in the southwest of Nepal. Check out the species listed in the Royal Bardia National Park and the Royal Chitiwan National Park.

http://nepaltravel.net/travel_info/n_park.htm for Bardiyan and Chitiwan Parks.

Hope the link works for you. Saw a travel special I tried to notify Bill about but was apparently too late. They said that the gangetic dolphin was in trouble. I found it hard to believe as I never heard of a freshwater dolphin, but looked it up thru alta vista and others, and the Ganges and Indus rivers both have dolphins, that were originally thought to be the same but later determined to be different. They aren't whales, but close enough to the whales to call cousins. I can hear one Indin ROTFLHRRAO, after his comments on shaving the whales, and now finding out there's something pretty close in Nepal for real!


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More info here, with a picture:
http://www.cetacea.org/ganges.htm

Unfortunately, that's gotta be the single ugliest whale family member in existance
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. Worse, they're seriously endangered.

Jim
 
Thanks Rusty and Jim for the information.

The fact that there are so few left and they are an endangered species is not good news.
 
What astounded me even more when I saw the distribution on Jim's link was the similarity to following the Mississippi River back to it's source up in Montana and finding dolphins up there.

Incidentally, someone said that Nepal is about the same latitute as Florida. That helps me figure out a bit. Northern hemisphere, etc.
 
OK, so you go up the Mississippi to Saint Louis and take a left and go up the Missouri to the junction of the Jefferson, Gallatin. and Madison rivers in Montana. Minnesota, Mississippi, what do you expect of someone who lives in a state ( Nevada ) where most of it's rivers dry up before they get anywhere? The Carson River ends up in the Stillwater Marshes near Fallon. The Humboldt River disappears into the Humboldt Sink umpteen miles northeast with a lot of dry desert to cross between the two. The Truckee runs into Pyramid Lake where it evaporates. The Walker runs into Walker Lake where it evaporates. Why do you think sensible people took the Oregon trail instead of going though Nevada? Not to mention that after gettin' half-killed in the desert you got to tackle the Donner Pass. It was Nevada that ( I think ) Mark Twain was talking about when he said that "Whiskey is for drinking. Water is for fightin' over." Hey, out here when you have to relieve yourself out in the desert you at least aim the stream at some lucky sagebrush.
( OK, Dan, I'm not exactly pullin' your leg, but I am giving it a good shake LOL ) Rusty

 
I stopped at those marshes near Fallon one time about 20 years ago. They catch some monster trout there. Unless all those pictures were bogus!
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Lewis and Clark knew which way to turn. I don't remember them talking about Dolphins though. I wonder if they saw them?
 
Rusty,
I didn't here from you..... What's up with Walker Lake?????? And where do I send the $$$$ and to whom??
We've all gotta help save this stuff where we can. I'm NOT a "tree hugger", but in the last 50 years I've seen way tooooooo much wetlands lost or destroyed needlessly.
Dan
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Dan, as I understand it, it has to do with when an area is settled concerning riparian rights. Boiled down, if you divert water from a river back east, you have to leave enough water for a navigable river to stay navigable. Out west, first come, first served, and once water rights are established upstream, they can use the rights to drain the whole thing before it gets to river's end.

The Walker River comes out of the Sierra Nevada, maybe 40/50 miles north of the east gate of Yosemite. It provides trout fishing up in the sierras. It hits the valleys of Nevada, settled by people who went where the water was in the 1890s, 1910, etc. They were there, they established their right to X number of acre feet every year. Not a percentage of the flow, but the same number of acre feet every year, wet or dry. Late comers, or those downstream in a drought year are out of luck.

Plus the the word is that the farmers dislike the indians on the Schurz Reservation on the north end of the lake, who built a reservoir what, 10 miles upstream of the Lake? The indians have their own crops, plus fishing, so they release downstream only when they've got plenty for irrigation. Did I mention the watertable on the reservation averages 300 to 400 beneath ground level? Then what is left goes into the lake.

Two, three years ago, people from the Mineral county seat in Hawthorne ( at the south end of Walker Lake took video cameras and went upstream to see what happened to the water that wasn't getting to us. In case after case, they caught the upstream farmers irrigating unplanted, unused fields just to waste the water and keep it from getting to the indians.

Even worse, and this is just a swag, it seems like the particulates spewed out in California are acting like cloud seeding. Moisture condenses around the particulate, "snowballing" larger and larger til it becomes a raindrop. Tahoe, the whole east side of the sierras are getting less and less precipitation, because it precipitates out on the west slope of the mountains and runs back into California.

Now to put it in geologic perspective. You heard of the Bonneville salt flats that they used to try to set landspeed records on? Historically, most of Utah was under one big lake called Lake Bonneville. What is left of it is the Great Salt Lake. There may be a few other lakes that are remnants of Lake Bonneville. In Nevada, same thing, only it was called Lake Lahontan. Covered most of the state. Now Pyramid and Walker Lake are the only remnants. Plus Tahoe is partially in Nevada and feeds the Truckee River which flows into Pyramid Lake. Around the 30's, the govt came up with the idea of the Newlands reclamation project and built a reservoir taking Truckee river water and converting the Fallon sink into farmland. They still let some water go into Pyramid. Then 300 thousand people moved into Reno Sparks and diverted more and more water. Then came the endangered species act.

There was a unique sucker fish called the cui-ui in Pyramid. The indins jumped on it, and had the feds on their side. There had to be enough water coming into Pyramid so the cui-ui could head upstream to spawn. So Reno Sparks with the votes, or the Fallon farmers had to make up the difference. The farmers lost to the Casinos.

Now that'll learn you to ask me a question.

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THANKS Rusty,
Guess I'll have to send more than I had planned! So E-Mail me already..... Made out to whom??? And send it where????
DAN
 
I'll dig up some info on the Save Walker Lake Working Group and email to you.
 
I keep thinking about that poor ugly dolphin in Nepal.

I mean, that sucker goes so far past "cosmetically challenged" it's almost funny. We're into "disturbingly butt-ugly" territory.

I've been privileged to see wild ocean-going dolphins just once. NorCal's coast isn't their usual territory but a mile out in my dad's 16ft boat, we saw a whole pod heading south in an amazing hurry, passing less than 50ft away. Unreal. They really do come sproinging out of the water like that, when they're really haulin' the only way they can breath is to catch 6ft of airtime. Utterly graceful.

In contrast, their Nepalese cousins:

* have a long thin snout bulging with teeth only at the very end;

* are a uniform dingy gray;

* have a stub instead of a proper dorsal fin;

* have a blowhole cocked off to one side so they can swim along probing the bottom with one flipper because:

* they're 95% blind.

The blindness is probably for the best, otherwise they'd never breed
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I mean, it's like somebody said "let's make a dolphin but get all the details slightly wrong. If this dolphin could talk it'd say something like "Yesss Mathta, the graaaaavehaad was aaaall out of freeeesh braaaiins, but I did pick up this niiice freeeesh livaaa...shaaall I saaauutaaay it in a nice white wiiine?".

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Jim
 
Dan - I've got the info, had it for a while, just found it again. Send me your snail address by email and I'll drop it into the mail today.
 
Jim, on the dolphins I pretty much agree with you. It looks like something you might catch off of Three Mile Island ( isn't that the plant that had the meltdown - well you get the idea ). An irradiated mutant. But I never knew there were freshwater dolphins, and that far inland? Isn't there a saying that the amazing thing about a dancing bear isn't how well he dances but that he dances at all?

Weird but wondrous.
 
Rusty, the Amazon has freshwater dolphins too. They're downright cute (and really small - about 3ft). Freshwater doesn't automatically mean mutant finnies.

There's no particular reason a dolphin can't swim up a river and be perfectly happy.

Or...forget dolphins a sec - ever hear of "Humphrey the Humpback whale"? A full-grown 60ton monster of a whale decided to get curious about the bay, then the delta, then the Sacramento river. Spent a month or so in fresh water, made it up PAST Sacramento (as in, HALFWAY TO RENO) and basically made a giant navigation hazard out of himself.

Some scientists monitoring him noticed he was getting a skin condition and they decided to chase him out with firecrackers and such
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. Not only did he make it back to the Pacific, he was spotted years later in a pod off of Hawaii looking none the worse for wear.

Jim
 
Rusty, there are not only the Gangetic Dolphins, but I have also heard that there are freshwater dolphins in the Amazon River.

-> I see that Jim beat me to the punchline..
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