What 2 carbon steels for damascus??

Kevin Wilkins

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What do you folks suggest as a good, basic combination for a user's damascus? The steels should not be too exotic (expensive) and shouldn't present any unusual problems in welding them together.

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L6 and 1095 works well. They're both cheap, have high carbon levels, and contrast well when welded.
 
Thanks!

I've never seen Don Fogg's website before and it's one of the best, most informative knifemaking sites I've seen in a long time.

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Thanks Darrel!

15n20 is L6 that's made in Sweden. Considering the high cost of US$ right now and the shipping, I'm gonna have to try and find the steels here in Germany. But at least now I know what to ask for.

I met a blacksmith here in Berlin who's made Damascus pattern welded steel before and is interested in making me some. I just wanted to be able to tell him what types of steel to use. I meet him again next week to talk about the project again.

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15n20 and 1084 will give you great pattern and very good performance if Hardened and tempered properly.

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Well I finally found a source for 52100 in flat stock. 10 mm x 50 mm x 1530 mm. I'm picking up 220 lbs of the stuff next week in Dresden. The blacksmith I've been talking to is really up for the project too. He has a serious air hammer for the forging work.

Now if I can just find some L6 in flat stock. The Swedish number for L6 is 15N20 but I haven't had any luck on that front yet here in Germany. I can find L6 in round stock with no trouble, so if all else fails...

What do you guys think of a 52100 / L6 blade?

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52100 & L6 would probably be tricky to work with. I think 52100 normalizes and reacts to heat differently than most other high carbon steels. Check out swordforum.com/cafe. I think there was a discussion about 52100 along this line. If you do try the 52100/L6 combination, let us know the results(favorable or not).
 
Hello fenixforge,

what do you think would be a good steel to combine with 51200? I'm having a tough time finding steels here in Germany from the L6 , O1, 5160, or W2 range. At least in bar stocjk. I want to avaoid having to beat the steel flat before making up the packets. Or better said that the blacksmith making the pattern welded steel doesn't have to do that. :-)

I managed to find this 220 pounds of 51200 so I thought in the worst case, I can just make knives out of that...

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I haven't worked with 52100. I just remember the guys in the swordforum saying it reacted differently to certain heat treatments when compared to other steels. I just figured it might cause problems during welding. Also, I don't recall anyone using it to make damascus. There must be a reason for this. Don Fogg or Daryl Meier would be the ones to talk to for real facts (they are always on the swordforum & are easy to talk to).

I know 52100 has an immpressive reputation as a quality knife steel. Trying an experimental billet with the 52100 and L6/15n20 would be interesting. You might end up making some good stuff. If that doesn't work, the remaining 52100 would still be great to forge on its own. I would save the 52100 for later and get some 1075 to 1095 for the damascus

Also, if you are having trouble finding L6/15n20 try salvaging some old circular saw blades. They are usually made of L6 or a similar type steel. It takes a little more work to cut out and clean up the pieces for the billet, but the results are favorable. If you can't find any L6, consider using 203e or another nickle alloy. You will be reducing the carbon level of the finished billet considerably, but the contrast of the welds will be very vivid.
 
Another option you can use is L6 and O1, I've tried these 2 and they contrast well.


Have fun and keep it sharp


P.S. Hi everyone, I'm back from Nova Scotia

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If you want to get more complicated, try using 52100 for the center, and laminjate some type of damascus on the outside, maybe pure nickel and 5160, or something else cheap and easy to work.
Aaron

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I like my women like I like my knives: strong, sharp, well-formed and pattern-welded!
 
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