What a RUSH! We learn from our mistakes - Right?

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Just took my first try at heat treating carbon steel. I did a stainless blade (440C) a while back and had no real problems. Ahhhh... but that stuff air quenches. Hmmmm.... am I suppose to use turco with carbon? Well, the hammer guys don't... hmmm... can't hurt - used it.

Slow heat to 1200 degrees it said. Heck, this 120V oven takes 1 1/2 hours just to get to 1200. How's that for slow? Another 1/2 hour and I'm getting into the zone. The table said 10 - 30 minutes between 1450-1500. No auto thermostat on this kiln so I had to watch it close. 20 minutes later - still in the zone, I reach in with the channel locks and thank the heavens that my it's my gardening gloves melting - and not my hand.

Back up a few hours. I'm at the local hardware asking for quenching oil. They laugh at me. I try the local "Bumper to Bumper" shop. No Quenching oil. The thinnest thing they had was ATF. Well, heck, if Bob loveless could quench his first blade in left over hydraulic oil, I can get by with ATF for this one.

Hmmm... don't want to try and fit the hot blade through that little hole in the top of the gallon ATF jug. I poured it into an ice cream pail and set it in hot water to warm it up a bit.

In case you think I'm completely nuts, add to the picture - old coveralls - Splash resistant safety goggles and my fire extinguisher beside the exit door - with nothing between me and it.

With glowing blade in the channel lock pliers, I move quickly to the ATF. WOOF!!! (Oh yeah - I'm supposed to completely submerge it so it doesn't flame) I plunge it deeper - right through the side of the pail. A red trail forms along the floor of the garage. Aargh!!! Find another pail - make the switch. All the time, I kept the blade moving to keep it cooling quickly. When it's cool enough to hold, I set it gently on the paper towel I had set there (as part of my careful planning.)

Did I mention I was doing TWO blades? AGAIN!!! WooHoo!

The blades are in the freezer for the night. I'll temper them in the morning.

Man, I haven't had this much fun since the first time the buffer ripped a blade out of my hand.

More as the adventure continues.:D
 
Yea, yea, Rob. You make it sound like you're the only one that's ever done something like that :)

Glad it turned out ok.
 
Yeah, I've ended up doing some stupid stuff like catching the kitchen floor on fire and some other careless things. If that is simple carbon steel I think you might be long on your soak at 1450 - 1500 F. What steel is it?

RL
 
Rob, I can only say you will laugh at this one day like the rest of us that went thru pretty much the same stuff many years ago,. Hell, my first quench didn't make it to the tank. It dropped into my knee about an 1 1/2" deep and at 1500 degrees.$219.00 for stitches and I still have that knife after all these years and won't sell it for anything.Welcome to the wonderful world of knifemaking.Dave :D
 
That’s funny I was with you all the way I cant say much I have walked away from a quench tank looking at the knife with my overalls burning in the back side I had no idea but I sure thought that blade smelled funny– does drop and roll come to mind
Bowie

My name is Ron Claiborne and im a knifemaker I have been 21 days Damascus free
 
Rob,welcome to quenching.You learned why there are no plastic containers in knife shops.BTW ,it is better to temper immediately after quench,then place in the freezer (if that is what you do).Get a better oven as soon as you can.Those long soak times can decarb your blade badly.You can use two ovens really well.Put the blade in one and let it ramp up to the 1200 degree hold.Pre heat the other to about 25 degrees above your quench temp(when you open the door those 25 degrees will fall out).After the long soak at 1200,quickly place the blade in the hotter oven and re-adjust the temperature to the desired quench temp.Soak about 5 minutes,less for small blades,and quench in a metal quench tank (filled with plenty of quenchant -1gallon minimum) A few test openings with a piece of scrap steel will determine exactly what temp to pre-heat your oven to to allow for the temperature drop when opening the door.With mine its 25 degrees.
 
rlinger said:
If that is simple carbon steel I think you might be long on your soak at 1450 - 1500 F. What steel is it?

RL
I got the HT formula from here http://www.knives.com/heatreat.html

It's actually 1095 / O1 damascus.

I have learned;
  • That I am not a geek for wearing and using safety equipment
  • No plastic containers near hot stuff
  • That I really need a better HT oven
  • That I worry my wife unnecessarily when she sees me taking the fire extinguisher outside.
  • That if I bought another fire ext, it wouldn't matter that I forgot to bring it back in.
  • That knifemaking just keeps getting more fun.
I'm going to run a file over the handle this morning before I temper them. I'll keep you posted.
 
Well, it looks like that was good avice about the soak being too long. I managed to keep it in the temp zone the whole time but I got significant pitting - and worse, the damascus delaminated. It was only 1/8" stock. 5 minutes at temperature better?

Hope the learning curve begins to level out a bit.:rolleyes:
 
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