What are the origins of the "tactical machete?"

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I guess that I am now at that point where I could be considered half dead. At thirty-nine, I have burned enough tread to see many knife "fads" come and go. Once upon a time a stockman pattern slip joint was all the rage in my days growing up in eastern Oregon ranch country among the young boys. The Dukes of Hazzard prompted a noticeable bump in the black Buck 110 cases hanging off of the belt over the blue jeans.

Boot knives were in for awhile, particular the prized Gerber Mark I, which I possessed for awhile until my dad took it away for my playing mumbly peg with it. Not because we weren't being safe, but because he thought me the fool for using my lone "good knife." It is probably still rattling around in his gun safe somewhere.:o

Long story short, there was the "butterfly knife" stage where every knife knut I knew had at least some imported junk example. Then there was the "survival knife" wannabe fad, etc. What I do not remember is where I first saw a glorified machete IRL or in the movies.

Now the market seems full to the brim of 9-12" choppers that share a few basic characteristics. They are uniformally thicker and tougher than machetes. They are too heavy to be effective brush clearers for being swung hours at a time. I have had a few pass through my collection, like a Livesay RTAK, and an Ontario RTAK, and have handled a Busse BM, but I do not find myself with a need for this pattern of knife, so I have none.

I find myself wondering how or why they have caught on. Or have they really caught on at all? What I mean is that perhaps the perceived popularity of this pattern is an artifact of a narrow enthusiast community that is overrepresented on this type of board, but in the larger world, these knives are genuinely uncommon.

Many a thread here goes on about what knives the military uses. Almost no one who responds, ever, talks about thigh carrying a huge chopper such as these. Most will say that a Leatherman pushes the boundaries of useful weight while under a full load.

I was backpacking this past week in the Central Oregon Cascades. Again I took just a Bark River Gameskeeper and a SAK Spartan Lite. Heck, as a part of the ethics of backpacking I am only to chop up the wilderness out of a real need and I usually don't have to bother with a fire. Even so, the BRKT will easily handle the chore of fuzzing sticks or getting me to some heart wood in a pinch.

Is it that I have to traverse a jungle, or want to punch through a berry bramble, or be facing off with a BG after he's out and my M-4 has locked up, to appreciate the big chopper? What am I not getting about this type of knife?
 
The origin! That's easy!
Everyone wants to be like Arnold!
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I'm betting that thing is made of aluminum. Just like his Conan the Barbarian blade.
You woulden't want a tired actor on your hands would you?
 
Boats said:
Now the market seems full to the brim of 9-12" choppers that share a few basic characteristics. They are uniformally thicker and tougher than machetes.

Stamped machetes are fairly recent, knives like the Battle Mistress are essentially just short parangs. This design isn't recent and very much a working profile. It has a bunch of variants like the bolos and goloks.

They are too heavy to be effective brush clearers for being swung hours at a time.

I have used a old style Battle Mistress for more than hours at a time clearing woody brush. It is lighter and more neutral in balance than many of the longer machetes and it is almost weightless compared to even a moderate size khukuri. As an example, turn :

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into this :

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by removing this :

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-Cliff
 
That is a build lot, it will soon be graded and backfilled, none of the stumps there are knee high though aside from some deadfall. Blades can cut very close to the ground if desired however this forces the chip relief cut to be horizontal and it is much easier to do it with an upswing, both on the user and on the blade. An upswing forces a higher cut, aside from the odd cases where the stump is elevated above the ground anyway. Aside from clearing lots, generally stump height isn't a concern (to be safe you would cut higher not lower) and even then the main concern is having them trimmed very close to the ground mainly along the path where you would bring in the truck or ATV to bring out the wood.

-Cliff
 
The actual height is hard to tell from the photo.
I thought there was a particular reason.

Back to tactical machetes
Boats, it's all marketing ;) :D
 
The three in the lower left corner are cracked off dead woods. That lot is really close in growth, it was farmland awhile ago and it is all really new growth and most of it is 1-4" thick. A lot of is is dead because the trees are too closely spaced to give good light coverage. This also makes it difficult to use an axe because the trees are not rooted well enough and they just move with the impacts, plus a full size axe is awkward on that size of wood anyway. A small hatchet works well on the saplings but is inefficient for the brush.

There are many advantages to the modern "tactical" versions of the brush blades. I have used the traditional forged ones and many of the current production and custom versions. The current ones tend to have harder and more wear and corrosion resistant steels and offer benefits for more mult-purpose use where you want a brush blade but retain some knife like ability. They are also geared for various other applications which would damage the traditional ones due to micarta/G10 grips making the handle much tougher and similar differences for the sheaths as some people really like the abrasion/cut resistance of Kydex.

There is hype with everything of course, there is a massive amount of hype about forging and especially 52100 but that mean it is all just marketing.

-Cliff
 
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