What aspects of your knife 'threaten' people:

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We often complain about the way in which people perceive our knives since some of them look at our ‘tools’ as ‘weapons.’ Many of these people, however, carry Swiss Army Knives in their pockets or purses. How can this be? What makes a knife a ‘tool’ versus a ‘weapon?’ To get some insight I decided to conduct a small experiment:

I grabbed 10 knives that I had laying around and asked a non-knife-knut friend to put them in order from “least threatening” to “most threatening.”
The knives I picked to be evaluated were as follows:

Bear MGC small balisong
Benchmade AFCK
Benchmade 940BT
Small Camillus CP75 boot knife
CRKT Bear Claw
CRKT Small Crawford Kasper folder
CRKT Neck Peck
Spyderco Delica
Spyderco Gunting
Spyderco Native

Here’s the order she put them in from least-to-most threatening:
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I asked her to identify what characteristics of certain knives made them look like tools or weapons. Here are some of the points she brought up:
-She said that the cord wrapped handle of the Neck Peck made it look more utilitarian. The rope made her associate it with other tools. This leads me to believe that adding lanyards to some of my knives might make them seem nicer to sheeple.
-She thought that the balisong’s skeletonized handle made it look like a tool.
-The color of the 940’s handle was a factor in its perceived uses.
-The bear claw is “too small” to be threatening. She thought it was so “small” that it couldn’t do much “damage” to someone.
-The Gunting’s ramp appeared to serve a utilitarian function to her. She assumed it was a tool on the knife. She said that since the ramp “couldn’t be used to stab someone” it lowered the threat level of the knife.
-She thought that the spydie hole looked threatening. She couldn’t site any reason why but she said that the hole in the blade made it look more “weapon-like.”
-The AFCK’s size was an obvious threat to her.
-The full serrations on the Native and the Delica looked “jagged” and threatening.
-The all black appearance of the boot knife was a big threat to her. She said that it looked like its only purpose was to stab someone.

So what have we learned? Serrations, black blades, and large knives = Evil. Lanyards or other functional items = Utilitarian.

These are points that have already been brought up but I decided to find out for myself. I hope you find this information useful in the selection of what knives you carry for various occasions.


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[This message has been edited by ThinkOfTheChildren (edited 05-23-2001).]
 
You've got an exceptionally open-minded non-knifenut there. I've had people question the size of my SAK (a 3.25" blade Adventurer).
 
Think --

Excellent post! The picture is a nice touch.

-Razor

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It's not the knife that scares them, rather it's the person who is willing to demonstrate enough independence of will to go beyond the group think. Try anything else and you will get the same result. For instance tell them you want to buy an old fashion truck with a souped-up 440 cubic inch engine, or tell them you intend to show up on Casual Fridays in a kilt, you will get the same response
 
I have a post on the reviews section right now, that includes some comments from friends (non-knifeknuts, but not quite sheeple) on three different blades:

Here http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum44/HTML/000072.html

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Color is a big issue. Black is bad. If you can avoid it, do.

Serrations are also perceived as significantly more weapon-like.

I'm glad that the balisong did so well.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
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Ok Mr. ThinkOfTheChildren, I have a question for you: nine of the ten knives you've presented are at least nominally half black. This is not, however, confined to your collection.

I happen to have a Benchmade catalog right here handy (surprise, surprise). The Model 690's handles are predominately rosewood, but the bolsters are black carbon fiber. The 335 is gray, but it is portrayed as a "Gent's Folder." The 450, also sold as a "Gent's Folder," has grey handles, but a black coated blade. The 850, also sold as a "Gent's Folder" has been a standout in white micarta for a long time. The 750 is sort of grey, but it's available with a black coated blade if you like. Of course, the Model 42 stands out in either silver Ti or anodized colors. But, every other knife in the catalog is either available in black or only available in black. Most are available only in black.

Obviously, the majority of us like black knives. Why is that?

Is it because WE think that black makes the knife look more like a weapon?

Perhaps, when we complain about people perceiving our knives as weapons, we should ask if those people are only having the reaction that we wanted them to have when we chose the knife, the reaction that the knife is intended to provoke.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
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My REKAT Sifu.
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First, it's the size of this knife that scares the heck out of sheeple.
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Then, it's the shape of the Sifu blade.

Lastly, I think that some sheeple might think that the finger-grooves look "evil".

...And then there's my Cold Steel Vaquero Grande MONSTER-folder...
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Gollnick,

Your question is very valid. How many people want their knives to look like weapons?

Personally, I wish that I could get more knives in colors other than black. I know that a knife will cut no matter what color it is.

One reason why black is probably popular is because it's neutral: it doesn't stand out as much when worn and it doesn't clash
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I can't imagine having to color coordinate my knives with my outfits
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Then I'd have to buy even more knives
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To tell you the truth, I would love having hot pink knives like the delica and cricket that spyderco made. No one would look at a pink knife and think it was made to hurt someone. This way I could carry a knife with the same cutting potential that poses less of a 'threat.'

My knives are primarily for work and secondarily for defense. I want them to be able to perform like weapons but I don't want them to look like weapons.

Unforunatley, I'm sure most guys don't think like I do and would refuse to buy 'fruity' knives.

Whether the rest of us want to admit it or not, many people buy and carry knives to look mean. The companies have to satisfy this need while still producing something that is actually a tool. Quite the tradeoff.

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interesting post, at my job where tools of all sorts are used all the time, one time I had a wave (edc) on one side and the exact copy of cord wrapped neck peck (as per your photo) in its supplied sheath on the other side, 'cause it's handy around the warehouse. Aside from the looks the main comment was "Man what do you need the shiv for?"
in my exp. is it the simple fact of carrying in plain view that seems to be disturbing to many people... a knife is just not seen as a tool nowadays, but that 16" dagger/club disguised as a screwdriver is fine..
 
This is what I wear on my belt all the time. I've never had a negative comment and many requests to see it. When I open it the standard response is "Wow!"

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The knife is by Art Washburn the sheath by Gary Graley.

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I find the scariest things people find about the knife I'm holding are my crazed eyes and trembling hands. Oh, and the foam coming from the corner of my mouth doesn't help either. "I'm alright, really!" while they call 911.

Ron
 
Phil in Brooklyn
I would go WOW too,
maybe my carry was too tactical in look, but would not want to subject any others to the banging and scraping at work, also I have inadvertently supplied tools to have the contractors in my area, not lol. even had bad feedback on pocket carry so now it is a delica IWB and that little check pat I think a lot of us have.. maybe if I get a WH gents I can garner some oohs and ahhhs. Many other
forumites get employer neg. feedback on their knives?
 
Hillslikewhiteelephants,

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Many other forumites get employer neg. feedback on their knives?</font>

Two word answer: "Heck no!"
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(Well, my Benchmades and Microtechs might bring negative feedback.)

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lol, any openings at SOG, for verily I will forsake all others and cleave unto thine products and thy products alone till death do we.........

way over my coffee limit for today

 
My wife was sitting next to me, on the couch, when I unwrapped my Livesay Sandbar Bowie...She actually shivered
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Then asked "Do you like it? Is that what you wanted?" I told her yes and did a brief bowie history 101 and she was cool with it.
I don't think she'll ever touch it though...
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Think~,
That is an interesting response your friend has. I would have thought that the balisong would have been a little bit more "evil". The claw and the boot knife would also be on the more "evil" side of the scale. These are just the impressions that I get from my friends as I carry different knives and watch their reactions. A fully serrated knife is bad while a partially serrated knife is alright. (50/50 serrations) A plain edge with a good strong recurve is marginally more threatening than a wharncliffe. A geometric tanto is also a little bit more scary, but not by much.

The least scary of all the blades I carry is my SAK, but you'd feel safe too if you knew that my nickname is MacGvyer. Totally non-violent, utilitarian sort of guy with the knowlege to turn that pound of fertilizer in to something that can blow your arm off. I don't get it... go figure.
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I've not had much chance to test reactions to my fixed blades since I only carry them for camping and then those people I camp with are cool with knives anyways.

BTW, I forgot to mention that the only really colourful knife I have apart from the SAK, is the Kershaw Boa. And I've had different reactions, none bad. One said it was a cool "surfie" colour and another didn't like it. Said it clashed.
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[This message has been edited by Steelwolf (edited 05-24-2001).]
 
All aspects.
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Concealed carry is the only way to carry in my country.

/Colinz
 
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