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Greetings. This is my first post here. I found this forum while searching google for info on my knife. I know it's a KA-BAR, but that is the extent of my knowledge.

Maybe someone here can tell me about it. Does the sheath look correct?

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Any information is very much obliged.
 
WELCOME!


Appears to be an old WW2-era Mk2 1219 combat knife made by Camillus.

Sheath looks 'correct' as far as age, style, and fit.
 
It is NOT a WW2 era knife. This is one that was made between 1964 and 1982. The WW2 Camillus knives were stamped with only "CAMILLUS NY" on the pile side and had either Marine Corps or Navy marks on the mark side.

ASIDE - WW2 versions were made by Kabar, Camillus, PAL an Robeson-Shuredge. Kabar stamped their company name on the MARK side. The other 3 stamped their names on the PILE side.

When the manufacturing hiatus (starting with the cancellation of all WW2 contracts in August 1945) ended in 1959/1960, Utica and Conetta initially received contracts to produce them. Camillus got in on the deal in 1964 and produced them until they lost the contract to Ontario in 1982. Somehow, an unknown company called MSI (Material Specialists Inc from Allen TX) got a skimpy little 1984 contract for 5,998 knives.

All contract knives since 1959 have had the stamp of US over COMPANY NAME on the MARK side.

Edit: Forgot to state that all the "Modern" versions only had the mark side mark. None of the moderns had a USMC or USN stamp.

The post WW2 manufacturers contract makers were:
Utica
Connetta
Camillus
MSI
Ontario.

Kabar has not had a government contract since 1945.
 
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Very interesting, thank you for the information.

It makes sense since I was given this knife by a Vietnam veteran that said it was his issued knife. He did see a lot of combat and was shot in the shoulder and left for dead. That is all he would tell me about it.
 
Actually 1962 to Febuary of 1974 would be the correct time frame for this blade marking of the Camillus MIL-K-20277B & C knife.
here's a copy of the Camillus work order for the 1962 run.

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My original post to this thread at #7 was merely directed to the OP’s original question. It does seem that it’s brevity has lead to some confusion as to the Post WW2 production of what Camillus internally referred to as their “5684” pattern knife. 5684 is to Camillus like 1217 is to KA-BAR.

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The above image is how Camillus marked this knife for Government purchase from 1962 to early 1974.
According to an article in Knife World Magazine dated Jan. 2005, authored by Frank Trzaska with research assistance from Camillus’s official company historian Tom Williams, as well as others. In February 1974 Camillus dropped the (N.Y.) from the second line of the blade marking. Dean Wallace, VP of Engineering at Camillus at the time, put this change into effect. While the article doesn’t go into detail on why the decision was made, it is true that the Government specification didn’t require that the State of manufacture be included in the markings.

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This is the new marking that was used from early 1974 to early 1989 on the 5684 production. You will find examples of these with two different styles of lettering.

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The same Knife World article mentioned earlier provides the following information regarding this latest tang marking:
“Camillus dropped the “U.S.” marking on 3/1/89 when they changed over to the Camillus logo stamping. It consists of the stylized Camillus with line over and under the name / New York / U.S.A. in three lines. This marked the departure of the Camillus knife from the government procurement program, as it no longer conformed to the specifications laid out for markings. “

At this point I haven’t run across specific documentation that pin points the exact date of termination of Camillus’s Government procurement contracts for this knife. That some use the above date to establish that termination maybe a bit speculative. Camillus may have waited awhile to effect the change in the tang marking. Regardless Camillus continued to market this knife to the public with the logo on the blade as a 5684 right up until the factory closed in 2006.

Hope this helps.
 
Thank you, SacTroop, for clearing up my misinterpretation of your post. I will add your info to my reference info.
 
Z, no problem. I should of thought as much about what I wasn't saying as what I was saying in the original post.:)
 
I just hadn't realized there were "US over CAMILLUS NY" and "US over CAMILLUS" variations.

I'm sure I have at least one of each now that I think about it, but I'm pretty sure I just had brain gas attacks :foot: and "saw" the US and CAMILLUS, assumed "60s to 80s" and labeled them as such. Now I'll need to check them and fix the labels as required. :o:D
 
You guys are great! I learned much more than originally anticipated. The knowledge pool is deep here. :D
 
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