What do I see here?

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It's been a while, haven't done much knife things lately and haven't been to the forum for eons, I hope II am excused that I jump right in?
So, I bought a chisel knife for woodworking. It is around 60HRC and the steel is stainless, don't know much more than that, they write it's a "specialized tool steel". It can get really sharp, but it also tends to chip when I sharpen with too much force or speed, so I took it to the microscope and saw these specks on the polished edge.


Not the best pic, I know, best I can do right now. It's around 100x and the specs are around 0,1mm in diameter (about a human hair wide), so much too big for carbides, right? I haven't done etching or anything, only up to 3000 grit in diamond stones and then polished the edge with a 2,5µm diamond stropping compound. I know that the edge likes to break along these lines. Gotta be honest I used a belt sander at first to reshape the edge and it chipped like crazy, now using stones it is quite sharp and holds up better while wood carving than the Mora or Hultafors chisel knives I have, so it isn't that brittle, just doesn't take well to the belt. I haven't seen such big grain in any blade I ever put under the microscope, what could they be (they also have a weird iridescence to them)?
 
I have the exact same markings on a couple hand scythes, axes, and hatchets in my collection. I believe it is some sort of “watermark” done by Kelly when it was affiliated with American Axe….if you look closely at the relief it actually says black raven. You can see the K fairly good from the word “black”. I thought I was seeing things but….
 
They are for sure not watermarks since I ground off a lot of steel, and it's all over my newly made polished edge. And As I mentioned they are only 0,1mm, you can't see them without a microscope or jewelers lupe. Also a european hardwarestore knife.
 
Belt grinders can heat a blade quickly, and mess with temper. Any chance this happened? What edge angle are you sharpening at?
 
Nah, no chance, I dunked it constantly and had my finger right over the blade so I would have been burned before there was enough heat EDIT No colour change as well, also a very thick blade with a lot of thermal massand no real tip. I have a second one as well, which I did use only the stones from the beginning, same thing. Edge angle originally was 20°/side, not good for what I need it to do, now it's closer to 14°/side
 
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You said 20 degrees was not good enough for your purposes, but did you try using it at that angle at all before re-profiling? If so, did it hold up any differently? Maybe 14 degrees is just to low for that alloy, whatever it is.
 
It holds up fine at 14, as I mentioned better than the Mora or Hultafors (which are C100 and SK5 @~60HRC). Only chips when using a belt and it was at 20° then, at 20° it just does not work as a chisel, even 14 is high for that.
For reference, it's something like this:
I have no problems with it even on hardwood, uless I use power tools everything works, I only wonder what the markings are. Could the carbides be that big?
EDIT: I had the same power tool chipping issue on S90V, others I know have too, also a steel known for big carbides, but I can't see anything like those blotches on the S90V.
 
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Is it chinese in origin? I have a couple pieces of chinese steel that has odd artifacts in it too. Kind of looks a bit like burned oil.
 
After more digging, it looks to be a "components made in china, assembly in germany" kind of thing.
Had a look around and found the same size and shape of iridescent specks on one 440C knife, also likely a chinese one.
 
Not sure, it says germany, but who knows. It's deep in, I have taken off a good chunk of surface.

Yes. The artifacts stay even with grinding so you're not alone there.

I would attribute it to the chinese mystery steel.
 
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