What do y'all think? (tomahawk design)

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DocPat2511

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Ok, here goes.

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I think the edge geometry might improve chopping performance. Probably a pretty good thrower, too.

The spike doesn't have a point; it's to be ground so the end is a chisel instead. Pointy ends blunt quickly, I think this will hold up better.

I don't know if the kamis would think the cho and Sword of Shiva were immoral, irreligious, or otherwise irregular. If it would be disrespectful to include them, obviously they're out.

And I have this in mind to be a fairly dee-luxe finish, as opposed to the fresh-off-the-anvil look I usually like in tomahawks.

So whaddya think? Will it work?
 
I'm a sucker for anything with a recurved edge
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I've seen this on a couple of custom hawks, and don't know the correct terminolgy, but would describe it as an extension of the handle socket, down the front of the handle for about 4", wrapping around about 1/3 of the circumference. Shooting in the dark, here, but it appeared to be a guard against handle damage from "over reach". ???
 
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Doc I think it would make a very formidable weapon as well as a thrower, but I don't think it would make a very good chopper with that recurved blade depending on its length.
But we have our khukuris for chopping anyway.
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I do like its difference from the regular run of the mill 'Hawk though.
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And I like the diamond shaped pointy end!!!!!
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You certainly have the right idea of gaining strength with a point like that.

And it's probably because I'm viewing the pic on a TV instead of a monitor but I can't make out the dimensions you have written on it.

What's the length of the cutting edge?
And the length of the head?
Also the thickness?
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And what size and shape do you have in mind for the handle?


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Yvsa.

"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
I'd be up for one. Or at least add it to my wish list. I have plenty pretty knives to look at...on second thought I need to "think outside the box" and learn to diversify. Yeah thats it...
 
Yvsa, here are the dimensions from the drawing:

~4" cutting edge
~8" head length (edge to chisel tip)
~2" chisel tip
~18" long, 1.25" diameter shaft
no thickness indicated
Rc 57-58 edge, Rc 55-57 chisel

 
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Walosi I have seen those as well and I beleive it's a really great idea.
I wonder though if the kamis could pull it off?
I haven't seen one up close and I'm wondering how they're attached, any ideas?

Thanks David. I guess we were both posting at the same time just now.D

Those edge hardnesses are perfect!!!!
And the same as I figured for the one I drew up IIRC, but have yet to make the model for.
I have thrown a lot of knives with similar hardness and never had any problem with them breaking or chipping.
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Yvsa.

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[This message has been edited by Yvsa (edited 06-19-2001).]
 
Yvsa-
Blade height 4" (tip-tip straight vertical)
OAL 8" (belly to spike tip)
Spike about 2" from eye
Shaft egg-shaped, narrow end forward, longest radius 1&1/4", length 18". Straight drop-through with tapered compression fit.
Thickness in the neighborhood of 3/8"-7/16"
I figure weight in the neighborhood of 1.75lbs. (?)

Walosi-
I dunno what you'd call that device. I'd call it a langete but that's usually steel splints down the side, I think. Sounds like a pretty good idea. Hickory is pretty tough, though, and I don't know if it's worth the extra weight.

And thanks for the interest, everybody. All seggestions appreciated.
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Yvsa:

I've only seen them in website pics, but they must be sections of tubing, cut and welded into an oversized socket. I've known smiths who could hammer up a crankshaft for a lawnmower engine, to within .001 of the finished spec., but I don't think even they could hammer-weld something like this. It was just one of those little puzzles that stick, and when I saw DocPat's drawing, I wondered if it might fit in somehow.
 
Doc,
I think it would have a hell of a fast rotation. Here is my own favorite thrower, a good ol' Frankish throwing axe. Your design seems to have about the same blade angle, but with the recurve and spike it should have a lot faster rotation if my eyeball physics is correct.
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P.S. -and here are theCold Steel langets (at the bottom of the page) that Mccld is referrring to, tho I think they'd slow the rotation
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[This message has been edited by Berkley (edited 06-19-2001).]
 
Weapon definitely a weapon. Blends some of those khuk characteristics with something that approaches the bearded hawk designs that I love so much. If used for chopping though, I thing the cutting edge would catch or bind if you strike too low. I think I could explain that better but not at this time of night.

Wal, I think the term you're looking for is langet. CS sells them for their "battle axe"

Yvsa, the measure ments I read are 8" for head length(edge to spike tip), 4" for the cutting edge top to bottom, 2" for the spike length, and 1-1/4" for the shaft diameter. Oh and 18" for the shaft length.
 
On second look, I think you're right about the chopping performance. The original draft was a long forward-angled edge, with just a little belly at the top and not much recurve. That would probably be a better chopper, but I started drawing it curvy and kinda fell in love
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. Call me weak.

And it might work out to be a little lighter, maybe 1.5lbs.

I think it probably would have a brisk spin, too, Berk. And that's a nice Frankish axe. Who made it?

 
This does look very,very good! Testing it to see how it would perform would be a treat!!!

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Very nice design, Doc. I love the curve on the primary edge & agree that having the spike tapered but not pointed will make it much more durable. I'd like to see the cho, Sword of Shiva, and kami marks included as you've indicated.

I would, however, pass on langets or other forms of handle reinforcement. In my experience about the only time I over reach with an axe & hit the haft is while splitting wood, a chore I don't see assigned to this hawk. Langets can also serve to help hold the head in place (not a bad idea with Cold Steel hawks that I've seen
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) but, if the eye is properly tapered, such devices shouldn't be necessary.

Now, all we need is a model maker.
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BTW, here's a link to some pix of my hawks.

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Brian

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[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 06-20-2001).]
 
I like it. For some reason it looks Medevil to me. But definitely looks like a weapon.

BTW, does anyone know of any cool sites for tomahawks? (besides this one
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Thanks!

Rob
 
Doc,

That is a great looking hawk design. If it goes to the Kamis, I'll put it on my wish list, what the heck, I'll put it on my wish list now .
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You guys keep firing up my love of swords and sharp curvy things... I love this place
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Alan

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