What do you do when it's just not working?

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I decided to do a little firesteel practice today using tinder I gathered/made.

It didn't go well, and I'm not sure why. It's rained two days ago, and is very humid, but the wood wasn't wet, or even moist feeling.

Getting it to takes a spark was hard, but I managed a few times.
But it always smoldered out without spreading.

After maybe half an hour trying various things I pulled out a lighter...just as a sanity check.
I couldn't get my pile of shavings to stay lit even with that, which made me feel better. :rolleyes:

...What does one do when faced with sub-par tinder and uncooperative fuel?
 
I have to do it buddy ! It might mean a search for different tinders or more time spent refining the ones I have, ie: if it's fatwood then I make dust rather than shavings.But I have to get one made or I feel terrible....sad eh !:o

Even I've stopped at the moment though, there are big reminders on the radio and in the newspapers stating that there you will face 3 years jail and up to a million dollar fine if ya caught making fires outdoors....not worth it eh !:eek::thumbdn:
 
High humidity will make fine slivers of even very dry wood hard to light sometimes, the wood just wicks the moisture out of the air. If you have no other options then make a large pile of it, get it to take a spark and smolder and then add oxygen (gently blow it into life). That said...that's why I like fatwood here in my area...it's a rain forest, albeit a temperate one, and the humidity is often very high.
 
Been there buddy. Its frustrating when you can't make fire from that spark. But look at it this way, you didn't really fail. You just found 1 way that didn't work.

The cotton balls and Vaseline combo works well but if you are looking for a little more rugged way to "make" tinder, I'd suggest you go to your local hardware store and look for sisal rope or jute twine. Look for something that you can pull apart into fine strands and make your own birds nest. I went to Harbor Freight a long while ago and bought some sisal rope just for this purpose. I cut just about 4 inches off and pull it apart. It takes a spark easy and will ignite a piece of fatwood. Try it out! Best $2 I spent in a while.
 
Something is wrong. Your tinder is wet, the ground is wet, your tinder won't take a spark... there are a couple of reasons. i remember over Memorial Day Weekend I did the same as you-spent about half an hour trying to light a fire, first with a fire rod, then with matches, then with a lighter, and it just wouldn't take. The fire pit I was building on had about six inches of ashes that were SOAKED with water from the rain two nights before. Had I taken the three seconds to verify that, I would have made life a whole lot easier on myself. After digging through all the soggy ashes it lit right up.
 
This is probably my most idiot/fail proof method of fire lighting:

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Here are some vids that might help improve your fire lighting skills:

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Cheers,

JC


edit: throwing sparks on resin collected from fir and pine trees will light fairly readily as well.
 
i've just started experimenting with one of these

with enough magnesium scraped into the tinderpacket or the end of a fuzzstick, it'll light up.

at least, it has so far.
 
You can empty out your Altoids tin for a nice dry spot to get whatever tinder you have going.
A squirt of hand sanitizer on your small starter twigs works wonders also. Kind of runs like molasses for a nice slow burn.
 
I've got various tinders and acelerants in my kits.
I was trying to get by with just a fire steel and knife.

I had better luck today. I spent much more time carefully stacking the fire so it has lots of air, and the early flames dried the unlit wood. I also used a big wood chip as a base to keep the tinder and curls off the damp ground.
 
I've got various tinders and acelerants in my kits.
I was trying to get by with just a fire steel and knife.

I had better luck today. I spent much more time carefully stacking the fire so it has lots of air, and the early flames dried the unlit wood. I also used a big wood chip as a base to keep the tinder and curls off the damp ground.

Good job! :thumbup:

You really want to see Murphy mess up your firemaking, just do it in front of an audience! :o
 
I was on a backpacking / camping trip in the mountains last winter where it had been raining heavily and snowing nonstop for damn near a month, maybe even more. Everything was soaked through. The first couple nights I didn't even bother with a fire; it would be too much work getting it started and collecting fuel in the heavy rain, and I was already exhausted from 8 hour long days of hiking.

However, on the third day, we had hiked into a particularly nasty mountain valley. It was channeling some seriously heavy winds up through the valley directly into our camp site on the side of a northern cliff, carrying ice and rain UP the mountainside with each gust. I could also see heavy black storm clouds rolling in very quickly. We were already cold, demoralized, and wet. I wanted a fire.

The tools I had available were my RC-6 and a 15" Hacksaw. Not ideal, but it was something. I quickly found some standing dead wood that was about 8" in diameter, notched a chunk out (and quickly learned that the RC-6 does NOT chop, to my surprise), and put my saw to work. Once I had the tree down, and cut into chunks manageable enough to baton through, I thought we were set.

Boy, was I wrong. As soon as I started batoning up that first piece, I realized something. The wood was soaked right through to the middle. I've always relied on standing deadwood to be dry enough to start fires with, as this is your only chance for fire in the rainy Canadian Rockies, but today it wasn't the case. It had been raining so much for the last few weeks, that this 8-9" thick log was soaked all the way to the core. Great. And it was already dark out, with storm clouds quickly rolling in amongst the howling winds, so I couldn't try my luck downing another tree. It was either this or nothing.

So I toughed it out, spent about an hour cutting the thinnest kindling I could manage, making feather sticks, carefully propping it up on a "dry" board away from the wet ground, everything I could think of to get a fire going in these soaking wet conditions. I went into my survival kit, grabbed my petroleum jellied cotton balls, and hit them with a spark. I hoped it would be enough, as did my hiking partners who are terribly inexperienced with firemaking ("next time I'm just bringing some gasoline and styrofoam like when we go car camping!").

The fire did ignite, but it didn't grow. The fuel there just wouldn't take a flame; everything was too wet. I tried again. And again. Until I ran out of firestarters, and got sick of cutting new kindling. The storm had arrived by now, and big chunks of hail were coming down on us only to be shot back up the mountainside at us in the powerful winds. I had had enough by this point.

So do you know what I did? I built a kind of hollow box shape with my firewood, and placed my LPG camp stove underneath it, then cranked the output to full force. After about 15 minutes of being assaulted by my makeshift blowtorch, the wood was finally dry enough to burn on its own. Was that a safe thing to do? Hell no. Did it work? Hell yes. We had a giant bonfire that night, with the big tree I had cut down burning well into the morning.

Sometimes you gotta cheat to win.
 
Always carry a signal flare in your pack. Just in case.
 
I used to live in Oregon, where during the winter, everything was wet, damp, soggy, soaked, etc. While I could get a fire started, it was a lot of work, especially when I just wanted a hot drink for a noon meal.

My solution? I started carrying the lightest weight backpacking stove I could find. Result? A nice hot drink in far less time than it took to get a fire started.

Cheating? Nope, just adapting to local conditions!
 
Joben, I do that too. I feather chips off of dry logs and limbs to create a dry base for the tinder. It's a good technique. I'll mention that the one stick fire is pretty much foolproof in soggy conditions too..
 
G'day Joben

.........What does one do when faced with sub-par tinder and uncooperative fuel?

That's going to depend on ....:D

Not knowing your area, I'm not in a position to talk specifics.

So, can I ask some general questions?

Was any other natural tinder sources available, that might have received some shelter from the rain (eg here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=607085 ) ?

How fine can you shave / scrape deadwood?

Did you try your body heat (especially the head) to dry out some real fine curls or even slivers of wood? BTW, they will dry out if you thread the slivers through your hair (kinda like you would with a hair pin :D )

How fine a grade of natural kindling was available?

Was there a variety of grades of kindling available eg ..

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What sort of base did you use to lift the initial attempts off the wet ground?

Considering your recent experiences, how long do you reckon your flame source will need to burn, in order to dry enough fine tinder to start a self sustaining fire?

Personally, I've taken some three ply cardboard that's been soaked in parrafin wax with me (basically a cardboard candle) if its' real wet :D

Combin it with a fire lay that gets the early fire off the ground and draws well, you'll be able to light wet wood :thumbup:

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Hope this helps.



Kind regards
Mick
 
If you actually need the fire.. than petroleum jely cotton, fat wod, or some other prepprepped tinder.. is a great way in an emergent situation.. but if you are out to specifically practice lighting tinder with a ferro.. than keep after it....some times I;ll sit there for 2-3 hours trying to get various tinders to light... it;s the only way to know hat works as well as why it works and how.. it;s also the only way to truly own the skill.

best regards.
 
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