What do you guys think about this knife

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Cameron Duck

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Hey everyone,
I'm new here and I'm just getting into knives. So I'd like to purchase a bowie knife and I found this one for relatively cheap and I've done some research on the specs and the metals and the HRC but I'd like the opinions from the veterans. I would like to use this knife for chopping small to medium pieces of wood and also, to be honest, I think it looks really nice. Anyways, here are the specs. I look forward to hearing your say. Thank you kindly.



The 051O1 Hunter contains a high quality hand forged 4mm thick High carbon steel blade.
The tang extents far in the handle and has a U shaped piece of stainless steel welded to it. This stainless steel is visible on the sides of the handle. The stainless steel prevents corrosion from contamination from the hands. The tang construction is very strong and can easily withstand heavy chopping action.
The 051O1 Hunter is hand forged from O1 high carbon steel which is a tool steel well known for its high toughness and excellent edge holding capabilities.
The blade has a mirror polished finish for a smoother cutting experience.
The knife contains a clipped point which is a typical characteristic of a Bowie knife. The clipped point allows for precise cutting.
The handle is made from 2 pieces of stag horn combined with a Brass guard and pommel to ensure a good grip and unique look. The guard and pommel extrude far enough to protect the hand during use of the blade.
The knife comes with a leather sheath that can be worn Vertically on the belt. The sheath includes a utility pocket for a small sharpening stone. We can supply the knife with or without sharpening stone fitted (select the order options).
The 051O1 Hunter has a serrated edge on the back of the blade that can be used as a saw. However, this is not a replacement of a saw it is ideal to create small grooves. The front of the blade contains a sharp cutting edge, the blade is thick and strong enough for heavy chopping action, this combined with the clipped point make this knife an excellent multi functional survival tool.
The cutting edge comes razor sharp!!!
An excellent highly durable hunting knife!!!

SPECIFICATION:

  • Overall Length: 32.5cm
  • Blade Length: 19.5cm
  • Blade width: 3.7cm
  • Blade Thickness: 4mm
  • Handle length: 12.5cm
  • Handle Material: Stag horn
  • Guard/Pommel: Highly polished brass
  • Layers of Carbon Steel: 224 Layers
  • Steel: O1
  • Hardness: 54 - 58HRc

The blade is properly hardened and tempered with classic methods and the use of quench oil. The Rockwell hardness is about 54-58 HRC. These knives are batch tested on hardness so the hardness might vary slightly between knives because these are hand crafted and unique.
54-58HRC is the ideal hardness for this type of steel and knife as with extreme impact (hitting a rock with a lot of force) the blade/edge will not chip but instead bend. This is in most cases fixable. If the blade would be any harder then it is more likely to chip or shatter this will make the blade unusable which is not ideal in a survival situation. If the blade would be any softer it won't hold the edge long enough.
Every knife is handmade and unique. Damascus patterns and size will vary slightly between knives we can supply pictures of stocked items upon request.

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DocT said:
The knife sounds nice, but I do not like saws on the backs of my knives. Some might think it is too pretty to use, but an O1 knife needs to be used.
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Is there any particular reason why you don't like saws on top of the knife or is it just not your style?
 
The about section of their website has this :

"In August 2014 we started working with some of our current knife makers we purchased several samples and assessed quality and craftsmanship of each knife maker. During this process we selected a few knife makers that could deliver top quality and excellent craftsmanship.

These days, KingForge works together with a select few top quality knife makers who are all individual independent artists dedicated to deliver top quality time after time"

To me this means imported from Pakistan. Unless you know for a fact where it is made and by whom don't walk away, run. There are many decent and competent knife makers who actually make their own product and have a reputation and a body of work to use to decide .

Good luck.

Joe
 
Not for me. Serrations on the back and the double guard are not to my liking. If you're going to chop wood, you'll likely be batonning, and that means you'll destroy your baton (maybe even get it stuck) on the knife back or damage the serrated edge itself. I need to get my thumb on top of the blade back and the upper guard gets in the way.

Zieg
 
I would just leave that where it is. It's looks just like another Pakistan made "Bow-ee" flogged by the hundreds on eBay to unsuspecting marks.

A decent production Bowie will cost you around $200.00 US.

A custom one will be 3 to 10 times that price.
 
The Mastiff said:
The about section of their website has this :

"In August 2014 we started working with some of our current knife makers we purchased several samples and assessed quality and craftsmanship of each knife maker. During this process we selected a few knife makers that could deliver top quality and excellent craftsmanship.

These days, KingForge works together with a select few top quality knife makers who are all individual independent artists dedicated to deliver top quality time after time"

To me this means imported from Pakistan. Unless you know for a fact where it is made and by whom don't walk away, run. There are many decent and competent knife makers who actually make their own product and have a reputation and a body of work to use to decide .

Good luck.

Joe
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I messaged the seller and they're manufactured in Pakistan
 
Cold Steel makes a couple of nice Bowies in real O1, the Trail Master (large) and the Recon Scout (a little smaller).
 
So the knives are definitely made in Pakistan. I messaged the seller and he says he gets a new batch every 8 weeks. Does this suggest that even though they're from Pakistan, they're made with quality in mind not quantity?
 
Sounds great, but I have my doubts. I would have to agree with the others. Get yourself a Good Bowie from a reputable brand. You will thank yourself later. There is a chance that it may be pho-steel and have a “polished”edge that cannot cut very well. The second you held it you would more than likely be able to tell the quality. Also may be the only one to think this but the saw on the back of the blade makes me think it’s a flea market novelty knife not an actual tool. I have a CS trail master and love it. The next one I want to buy is the Spyderco respect. Check em’ out!
 
"They sound nice. I just don't have a heap of money."

I wouldn't take one for free in that case. I've never seen one that had good steel and good heat treat. How they look to the eye in the advertisement means nothing. There are so many great performing knives available for US $50 and even below. I'd wait and save rather than get something that probably isn't safe.

Joe
 
"So the knives are definitely made in Pakistan. I messaged the seller and he says he gets a new batch every 8 weeks. Does this suggest that even though they're from Pakistan, they're made with quality in mind not quantity?"

No, this confirms they are not worth the price of shipping. That is likely less than he is paying the maker for them. A couple of dollars.

Joe
 
The Mastiff said:
"They sound nice. I just don't have a heap of money."

I wouldn't take one for free in that case. I've never seen one that had good steel and good heat treat. How they look to the eye in the advertisement means nothing. There are so many great performing knives available for US $50 and even below. I'd wait and save rather than get something that probably isn't safe.

Joe
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What "many great performing knives available for US $50" would you recommend?
 
The best thing to do is go here.

https://www.bladehq.com/

Use the search to refine what you are looking for. You can adjust by brand, size, price, fixed or folding and get an idea of what's out there.

Unless you really know what you're looking for you wont' get a good knife off eBay or from some guy at a boot sale. You may get a knife shaped object that might even cut stuff but 9 out of 10 will get you something that would struggle to spread butter well.
 
You don't need a heap of money. While I'm not a fan of cold steel, they do a lot of stuff under 50$, and I'd buy that before a mystery blade. On the smaller size you have the Mora offerings, Condor has some decent stuff around 50$, You've also got ontario and ka-bar in that bracket, but if you could go a little higher a becker bk16 (about 75$) is very good value.

As to the knives you were looking at, they won't be any sort of folded, pattern-welded steel of a known origin. If there are layers, its due to poor steel manufacture and extra etching.
 
The Mastiff said:
Do you have needs, a use in mind or is it just that price point?

Joe
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I would like a knife that looks good and (I know it sounds childish) a knife that looks a little bit intimidating. I'd like it to be able to be reliable when I go camping with my brother in laws (which isn't all too often). I also wouldn't mind handing it down to my son when it comes time for him to be having a knife. So essentially, it's gotta be sturdy, and stand the test of time and a good looking knife would be good but not essential.
 
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