What do you look for when ordering a "custom knife"?

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Do you stick with the style the maker usually makes and state your prefference for finish, and handle material, and sheath.

or do you go all out and order your design,stating all the features you want

or do you say you want a 6" skinner and let the maker suprise you.

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Do you stick with the style the maker usually makes and state your prefference for finish, and handle material, and sheath.
or do you go all out and order your design,stating all the features you want

exactly. 50% my design, 50% makers design with my choice of handle and blade material and other options.

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It depends. So far, I've generally taken the maker's other designs and mixed and matched various parts. For example "I like the blade from xxx and the handle from yyy, and how about zzz for materials?" I've also bought handmade knives (not custom made to my specs, just something the maker created on a whim). At some point in the future, I'd like to have a maker bring one of my designs into reality (the design still needs some more work before I show it to any maker
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--JB

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e_utopia@hotmail.com
 
Unless I'm shopping for a particular knife, I'll ask the maker if there's something he's never done before, or a project he's been wanting to do, but hasn't had the opportunity.

I have the most fun when the knife starts from an idea rather than a hard design or an example piece.

I also think it gives the maker the most opportunity to grow, by pushing them out of their comfortable niche, and having them break new ground.

The last thing I want is a simple variation on a knife they produce day in and day out. The next to last thing I want is for them to take my half baked ideas and use them as hard and fast designs.

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It is a delicate balancing act. Custom makers are craftsman, with a lot of experience and talent. Thus, to insist on a knife being made in precisely a certain manner may be risky. There may be flaws in your design which are not apparent to you, but are to the maker. Further, if a maker is not happy with the piece he is making, you run the risk of him not being entirely absorbed in the project and not exercising all his creativity.

On the other hand, it is YOUR knife, and you should be able to specify what you want; you are paying for it, after all. It is a big step to order your first custom knife, and you have every right to be happy with it.

I tend to suggest in fairly broad terms what I want, and let the maker interpert my suggestions in his style.

There are times when I have to go against the grain with a maker, but I tend to do this infrequently and with with trepidation. Darrel Ralph, for example, tends to have a style which I consider somewhat flashy. I ordered a custom folder from him, and had to insist on it being somewhat more plain than he wanted to make it. Purple anodized scales just weren't what I wanted (OK, he was joking about that, but the situation was similar to what I described). I got a beautiful knife of which I am very proud.

I ordered a drop point hunter from Tom Mayo; the Talonite (r) blank was 10" long, and I thought a five inch blade would be about right. Here is what Tom said:

one thing...and i know this is hard to do....ive
been there many many times......but the drop point has been refined for
about a million years....and theres a reason for keeping the blade just
under four inches.....i am not going to twist your arm about this...you are
the customer.....and its a waste to cut off and inch or inch and a half of
that stuff...but thats my recommendation.....you can make the choice. tom

Tom eventually decided to make the blade about five inches long, since grinding off one and one half inches of expensive Talonite (r) seemed a waste; I sent him a Mad Dog Mako, emphasizing that I didn't want a copy, it was just to use as a rough starting point; it is a drop point with a blade of about five inches, so he would have an idea of what I had in mind. I should mention that I have bought two knives of Tom's which were his design entirely, and they are wonderful.

Kit Carson is a wonderful knife maker with whom to do business. He will make you nearly anything you want, but his selection of models is such that you are nearly sure to find what you want from his stock list. One exception is kitchen knives. He is making me two paring knives out of Talonite (r), one three inch and one four inch, both for my darling daughter ('Dark Mistress' on the Forum). These are of his design, but he has made only one or two before, one for Tim Flanagan's wife, IIRC.

Rob Simonich is a maker who will throw himself wholeheartedly into a new project; his kitchen knife of Talonite (r) is a good example of that. He sent it to two professional chefs for evaluation and suggestions for improvements. The final improved design is going (you guessed it) to my darling daughter for Christmas... That is Christmas, 2000, Rob!!

So, ordering a custom knife is a lot of fun, but you should be expecting to reach a compromise which contains the best of your ideas and design with the best of the maker's experience and talent.

Walt (Certified Spec Sheet Guru)

[This message has been edited by Walt Welch (edited 07-19-2000).]
 
Good advice from Brian.
I want a knife that the maker is excited about, but that also meets or exceeds my expectations.
 
Just wanted to clarify something about my post. I don't actually mean have the maker 'glue together' different parts from different knives. I mean for him (or her; there are a few women knife makers, but not enough
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) to use those as a starting point. Of course, I very well might just say 'this is what I want the knife... go for it!'

I do stand by having my own design made though. I don't really have the skill to grind a knife at the moment (no time to learn, either), so this is the closest I can come to bringing my designs to reality.

--JB

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Three easy things... Maker, Blade style, and material, overall apearence.


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BC...For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know... Semper Fi
 
Basically what Brian and Walt said. I seem to have the most fun and satisfaction on a knife where the maker is pushing himself and there is a back and forth exchange on the design and materials.

I think it is best to approach the "back and forth" keeping in mind it is important for the maker to be just as excited building the knife as you will be owning it.

It is a fun balance of what gets us both excited over the project, in my experience each project is different and all of them have resulted in knives that are more than objects to me and makers who have become friends.

Things I try do avoid.

Asking the maker to do one just like "that one".

Insisting on a design or use of material that does not go with a makers style.

Pestering the poor soul for a finish date. (Deal with makers you are comfortable with and give them some reasonable leeway.)

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[This message has been edited by Gus Kalanzis (edited 07-21-2000).]
 
Brian, Walt, and Gus nailed it.
I need not add anything.
Good advice guys... mirrors my experiences exactly.

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rdangerer@home.com
 
I don't know the others very well but sounds like they basically agree with Gus. As A maker I need to know what the buyer wants up front, Gus is very good at this. If your not satisfied with what you get why in the heck would you come back and buy anything else from the maker? A good maker will normally work with you on design, materiel, finish etc., but for best results pick a maker who does the type of work you like, He/She (or is it She/He) will most likely produce you a better knife.


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old pete
 
My experience is that I wanted a knife made to my specific design (not all that novel, but few make them like I wanted) so I went out on the custom forum and asked if anyone wanted to make one. I described what was important to me (BG42 blade, 5/32 stock, semi-skinner blade shape, 4 inches, flat ground, tapered tang, micarta or G10 scales). Matt Harildstad came back with an offer. We talked about the features, he gave me some good points on changing a few things, some I was insistent on. I did not specify a handle shape and liked his usual one, he had a good leather pouch sheath I could use. Bottom line, somethings were sacred to me as the designer, some things I cared less about and he guided me. All in all a good deal. He should be finished soon so no finished photo to date, but he sent me a drawing of the blade shape when he did the design, and later a scan of the profiled and ground blade before going to the heat treater. Good customer relations -- but someone above was right about not falling on your sword on a finished date.

Good experience all in all.

Bruce Woodbury
 
I bought my first handmade knife this year, and now own a few. I have one custom knife made to my drawings. The knife started from a Ed Fowler Pronghorn, (way out of my price range). I worked on my own drawings, instead of the sheep horn which Ed uses I wanted stag with turquoise spacers. Someone from here pointed me to J.A.Lonewolf. I liked the looks of his knives, his prices were great, and the fact that he was only doing Damascus blades, it was just too hard to resist. I was so pleased with the first that I ordered a second from him.
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