what i want to see more designers doing.

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prototyping and making improvements. once is not bad, but more than once preferred. in fact Nick has a LOT of tips and suggestions for makers. he has a weekly show on knife news that points out a lot of problems that makers still continue to do to ruin knives. Nick's not the only one that can do beta testing. but he's an amazing resource.

NickShabazz NickShabazz Thank you!

here's ep 31 with the rest of the episodes linked below it.
http://knifenews.com/knife-gripes-episode-31-hard-landings/
 
I would like to see them leave out holes, and cutouts which they add just give the knife " eye appeal ".
they go beyond just making a knife and it theoretically cost more to incorporate these things that do nothing but clutter up clean lines and simple all business knives.
It's like they've never heard of the beauty and elegance of simplicity.
 
I would like to see them leave out holes, cutouts, machining and other things they add just give the knife " eye appeal ".
they go beyond just making a knife and it theoretically cost more to incorporate these things that do nothing but clutter up clean lines and simple all business knives.
It's like they've never heard of the beauty and elegance of simplicity.
cant satisfy everyone with "style" and more knives are desgiend based on "style" than use. and thats more or less what im trying to get at.

i want a knife thats been designed to be used. i dunno how many knives, even from a big name like ZT that needs improvements in the use department. its like they developed it just on the style. one example is the Falcon/massdrop knife i just got. thing is tiny but designed in such a way that your fingers press the lockbar and the flipper dont want to flip out. wtf, make it a liner lock or design it in such a way that it doesnt do that (for example ZT on the 0850 made a perch to lay your fingers so that doesnt happen). so many ways to get around that issue too, which is what kills me with designers.
 
cant satisfy everyone with "style" and more knives are desgiend based on "style" than use. and thats more or less what im trying to get at.

i want a knife thats been designed to be used. i dunno how many knives, even from a big name like ZT that needs improvements in the use department. its like they developed it just on the style. one example is the Falcon/massdrop knife i just got. thing is tiny but designed in such a way that your fingers press the lockbar and the flipper dont want to flip out. wtf, make it a liner lock or design it in such a way that it doesnt do that (for example ZT on the 0850 made a perch to lay your fingers so that doesnt happen). so many ways to get around that issue too, which is what kills me with designers.
Many do spend too much if not 90% of design time figuring out the style.
I'm not saying I want or could afford one, but what I've always admired about the crk sebenza is the fact that it's pretty sterile of " design elements ".
It doesn't seem like he came at it from an artists or graphic designers perspective. He came up with a practical blade shape, attached it to an ergonomic handle, and quit while he was ahead.
Don't go adding holes, machining in grooves , and most of all don't start with a funky blade or handle shape because it will " look cool ".
If companies will do this then each knife will appeal to a larger group.
 
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Don't go adding holes, machining in grooves , and most of all don't start with a funky blade or handle shape because it will " look cool ".
If companies will do this then each knife will appeal to a larger group.

So you are saying don't make knives to "look cool" to people, and more people will think they look cool? o_O

Like ... "give the customer what they don't want."
 
I'll say that the Boose blades smoke is great with those speed holes. Probably looks fine without them but I like it better with them. I can't say that about all design elements... But you do have a fair point. But also you have to design style to sell. And it's his design language.

But yea it could be more cost effective if they were not there. Some give and take. It all depends.
 
I mean, sure, we all want makers to make knives exactly the way we want. But then they would only sell one of them.

And, honestly, what I really don't want is some random guy on YouTube telling makers how to design their knives. I'm satisfied with what actual knife designers design...and when some silly design comes out....it's always got some yahoo from YouTube or Instagram responsible for the design.

The pros know what they are doing. Because they are pros. Thinking one knows how to design a knife just because one has used
a knife is like saying you can design a car engine because you know how to drive.
 
I mean, sure, we all want makers to make knives exactly the way we want. But then they would only sell one of them.

And, honestly, what I really don't want is some random guy on YouTube telling makers how to design their knives. I'm satisfied with what actual knife designers design...and when some silly design comes out....it's always got some yahoo from YouTube or Instagram responsible for the design.

The pros know what they are doing. Because they are pros. Thinking one knows how to design a knife just because one has used
a knife is like saying you can design a car engine because you know how to drive.
um, while i see what your saying i think you're wrong in a way. had nick not helped this design out, i would have not liked it as much. hell it doesnt even have to be a YOUTUBER like you are suggesting (when i read that i just see hate from you). i just dont want some yes guy saying "yes" its good. its good enough. no i want someone to use it and give feedback and improve upon the design functionality. i dont want some designers plain design. i want something thats going to work for use, something that wasnt his first try, something that he had help from a body of folks who gave real input into.
 
Without the design elements and style, wouldn't knives be very boring??
Functionality is critical, but only taking that into consideration would produce some incredibly boring knives.
If they don't have any cool factor.......boring.
Joe
and i agree with this. just dont sacrifice use for design. always more than one way to pull off what you want while making it perfectly functional.

in no way am i saying the designer has to give up design/style.
 
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The pros know what they are doing. Because they are pros. Thinking one knows how to design a knife just because one has used a knife is like saying you can design a car engine because you know how to drive.

Full disclosure: I'm a Yahoo from Instagram and YouTube, and the Yahoo from OP's post. But you've got a great point here, and one that I try to be *very* sensitive to during reviews and stealth reviews. When a maker or company sends something my way for a stealth review, I try to be very sensitive to the fact that, well, in your words, I can't design a car engine. I'd have to be delusional to pretend I can guide them in "design" writ large ("this would look way better if..."), or to tell them how they "should" make the knife. Heck, some of the folks I talk to have forgotten more about knife design than I'll ever know.

That's why I try to focus on providing constructive and concrete feedback for the maker about individual issues, rather than critiquing the entire knife or the aesthetic joy of it. Sometimes this feedback is in the form of "Wow, this is very different from the current market because [blah], I love it!", or "Looking at the field, your price of [blah] is probably gonna face some pushback". Most often, this takes the form of spotting little functional fouls that I've started to notice after critically handling a large number of knives, like the ones I discuss in my knife-gripes series. Given the huge number of variables that a maker is juggling, it's not shocking that one or two of the "picky little details" I tend to focus on might slip through, even for a great design.

Sometimes, makers agree and make changes. (Often it's sort of a "Oh, whoops. I missed that [thing]!") But just as often, the maker points out why they can't avoid an issue or issues, or they tell me that they prefer it as is, which is fine too, because it's their knife. if they decide an issue is worth tweaking, they have a chance to before it goes to production.

Anyways, I don't pretend to be a designer. I'm just a random jackass who's handled and used a lot of knives, has noticed a lot of recurring issues, and has a decent view of the current market. Some makers have found my feedback on a new design helpful, which brings me great joy, and in many cases, I'd like to think it's resulted in a bit less ugly in the knife design world. Some, I imagine, don't give a damn what I think, which is A-OK, too!

But regardless, I'm doing my best not to pretend I'm anything I'm not, because the last thing I want is to wind up designing the Homer!

 
and i agree with this. just dont sacrifice use for design. always more than one way to pull off what you want while making it perfectly functional.

in no way am i saying the designer has to give up design/style.

I think there's a place for less functional more aesthetic knives too.

Medford knives, that weird WE knive that's coming, the ZT 0999, kizer megatherium, ect ect ect.

Those knives are weird/cool/crazy looking which hurts thier function, but many folks like them.
 
um, while i see what your saying i think you're wrong in a way. had nick not helped this design out, i would have not liked it as much. hell it doesnt even have to be a YOUTUBER like you are suggesting (when i read that i just see hate from you). i just dont want some yes guy saying "yes" its good. its good enough. no i want someone to use it and give feedback and improve upon the design functionality. i dont want some designers plain design. i want something thats going to work for use, something that wasnt his first try, something that he had help from a body of folks who gave real input into.

You realize that you are insinuating companies like ZT, Spyderco, Reate, BM, etc. are getting a knife design and immediately putting it into production. Most (I'm pretty sure all, but can't say for sure) have their own in house beta testers. These people are paid to find flaws in the products. Unlike IG and YT pseudo celeb "reviewers" who either a)kiss the makers ass looking for handouts & prefferential treatment (like a Jim Skelton), or b)Want something designed catered to their own personal preferences (like Nick Shabazz).
Knife makers understand there is a balance between form & function. They choose how much function they are willing to give up for the form factor. Otherwise we would have a whole bunch of Sebenza/Griptillian/Delica looking knives and a whole lot less collectors.
Also, whether we as enthusiasts like it of not, they need to cater to customers with the mall ninja "badass" desires. Unfortunately those people outnumber us. Hence the Praetorians of the knife world.
 
Insulting? They are insulting me by designing something that's not functional. Take for example the zt 0850 thumb studs. They look like crap and they feel terrible. My thumbs hate it when I use that knife or even fidget with it. But I'm insulting them? Lol

Do it right the first release. As a matter of fact they probably wouldn't make a running change to fix that problem like some manufacturers would.


The pros know what they are doing.
do they tho? Lol no they don't always. Not if their are lots of gripes about the shit they make.
 
Insulting? They are insulting me by designing something that's not functional. Take for example the zt 0850 thumb studs. They look like crap and they feel terrible. My thumbs hate it when I use that knife or even fidget with it. But I'm insulting them? Lol

Do it right the first release. As a matter of fact they probably wouldn't make a running change to fix that problem like some manufacturers would.


do they tho? Lol no they don't always. Not if their are lots of gripes about the shit they make.

I said insinuating NOT insulting.
 
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