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peteq

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Speaking of model 532 ......

If we were to reintroduce the 532 as a limited edition model for year 2000, with the possiblity of it becoming a permanent model, should it have:

BG-42 blade steel, or 420HC (this will affect the pricing). My vote is Bearing Grade steel, but don't listen to me.

The original model had a inlaid wood laminate that was an orange(ish) color - I think darker color woods are more rich looking. How about a dark walnut, or a midnight blue?

Checkering (as on the Masters Series) is nice, but kicks up the price again, we want this to be successful. Besides, the odds are about 100% that this will be available through PCKS in 2000.

Thoughts, reactions, commments ....

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pete quintanilla
Buck Knives, Inc.


 

I vote for 52100 or D2!
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If they are made in BG42 I would consider one. I will say if the choice is 420HC don't even bother making them. How about selling it in the custom shop with a choice of blade steels in order to get an idea of what the steel should be? Also I would love to see either 416 or 303 ss being offered for fittings on the 110's. Oh and have you dug up any Black Lip pearl Pete?

Regards,

Tom Carey
 
Pete, you are the man!!!!!
I think you should use BG42 or a similar steel, tom is right on with his sentiment on 420hc. I'd think smooth walnut would be pretty neat for a production version, but I'm most pleased to see that the 532 will hit the Custom Shoppe ! Now I've gotta start budgeting for it, cause on this one, I'm gonna want to get real fancy. Is it January yet ?
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thanks pete.
Brian, soon to be Buck collector club member.
 
I would love to get a 532! Production knife for year 2000, would be awesome. I like the idea of 52100, or D2 - Tom Carey
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. The BG-42 would be nice, too.

At this point, I would be happy with ANY steel blade on a 532!
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2000 looks VERY hopeful!

Ray 'md2020'
 
Love to see a 532 in Y2K. It sounds like a must have to me. Dark walnut would be beautiful. Steel - your choice.
 
i vote for the BG 42 steel.
i would also make a suggestion that if you are going to make folder with BG 42 steel it should not be a model 110 type nor should it be a bead blastes, G-10 handled tatical type either.

how about a thick titanium liner lock with wood inlays and a BG-42 blade with a thumbstud.

go for looks and style without sacrificing easy accesability and alienating the tatical crowd.

as for myself when i first saw the BG42 blades on knifecenter my first reaction was to drool and want to buy them. however when i saw that they were more of a traditional pocket knife than my bemchmades or spydercos or microtechs. they lackes a clip and a 1 handed opening method, and the great looks of the wood handles and the BG42 blade was not enough to overcome those disadvantages in my opinion.

if you could have made crosslocks with a aluminum or titanium frame and made the scales more atractive, and shortened that clip on them and made them with a decent steel blade like everyone else is doing, ala atsXX, BG 42 or cpm4XX then one of them would be in my pocket now.

 
What a tease! Bring it on! Why wait when we could do it now!!!

That sounds great Pete. You are the MAN!

I’ve been looking for 532’s at all the shows I attend and shops I visit and let me tell you, they aren’t easy to find. This comment is for the benefit of the secret/underground 532 Collector’s Club… However, I did recently find one ‘NIB’ at its original 1991’ish retail price in a small gun shop in VA. Sorry, that’s all.

I vote for BG 42 and dark walnut diamond cut wood scales. Also, MOP and Mastodon ivory would be great as options. I’ll take one of each, just place my order Pete! Thanks!

Ken Burns
BCC Life Member #819
 
Pete,

As you may know I have 5 variations of the 532:
- cherrywood handle original
- walnut handle Limited Distribution
- Master Series
- Jigged Bone Limited Edition
- bark ivory mastadoon handled.

Unquestionably the BG42 blade is far superior to the rest. The mastadoon handle is in a class by itself so without considering it, believe it or not, the picked bone handle is my choice (as well as Greg Mete's) as the best in the hand feel. And it looks pretty darned good too.

My vote? Simple: BG-42 steel if the choice is restricted to what you already produce. D2, A2, or 51200 if you folks want to do non stain resistant. Sure 1095 is good but the choices I've cited are better. And for the handle a high grade bone with a dark brown hue.

I think you're concerned about the price point because of the Master Series experience. My view is that you folks didn't promote the series and the inherent advantages of the materials so the series was doomed to failure outside of the "knife nut" community that recognized what you were offering. Promote it with the higher price point than you're planning and it WILL sell.

It's like this site: if Buck representatives only pop in here once every two weeks it's gonna die a slow death. You folks need to maintain a more active presence to fully reep the benefits of this forum. Please!!!!!!

Regardless of what you offer, you have my order!

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-=[Bob Allman]=-

I did NOT escape from the institution! They gave me a day pass!

BFC member since the very beginning
AKTI membership pending
VHA and NRA member



[This message has been edited by bald1 (edited 06 October 1999).]
 
BG-42 seems like the natural choice. It's really top performing steel, it takes a great edge, it's a great looking stainless material for wide appeal, and Buck knows how to work with it. I'd stick with a classic looking knife of impeccable quality. I wouldn't go to a liner lock or me-too version of the techno-crowd.

There are plenty of aging baby-boomers with money and refined/traditional tastes. I've used a lot of knives and it's still hard to beat the 110 as a folding hunting knife. I'd also like a lighter version of the 110 in BG-42. Say 80% the length and 60% the thickness. Using light tough alloys for the handle with gold colored finish and wooden slabs. Clips are overrated, but could be an optional feature.
 
I've been lurking here for a while, but this got my attention!

1.BG-42-gets an emphatic yes (Edge 2000 I assume)
2.dark wood is good, in a natural wood color (not blue or green etc)
3.Jigged bone is better!
4.I would like to see a thong hole but I could live without it.

I could care less if a thumb stud is offered really. I have many one hand openers and many traditional nail nick varieties. How they perform once open is my real interest. IMO the checkering on the master series may have hurt sales. With checkering the tops of the pyramids tend to get worn off in places. Some integral bolster/liners would certainly make me salivate, but I realize this would also add to the end cost.

Thanks,
Paul Davidson
 
I agree with Bob about the Master Series and also believe A2 is another excellent choice. I have always felt that too little effort was put into promoting the Master series and the line was abandoned far earlier than it should have been. As far is going with a non stainless steel I have had better luck myself with D2 than with ats 34 as far as corrosion resistance and honestly I would love to finally see a knife company dare to be different and offer something that is not being offered by every other company. I believe it would garner extra exposure for that reason alone as well as extra interest. I may be wrong but will someone please take a chance!
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Regards,

Tom Carey
 
I've got two Master Series knives and I like the checkering and grudgingly tolerate the green color. I assume the intent was to help distinguish the premium brand by color so that everyone would know how much you spent on your knife. The green just makes the knife look like it's got cheap plastic imitation wood grips. Checkering on a good walnut would look like a classic premium rifle, distinctive and obviously premium.

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Jeff,

Agreed. The green coloring on the Master's Series was kind of a committee decision -- you know how those go. :-/

pete

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pete quintanilla
Buck Knives, Inc.


 
I will add my $.02. The green color kept me from looking too closely at the master series. When I see wood in odd colors like that on knives it makes me think of all those awful made in India pakkawood models. I know that Buck is not awful or made in India but it still hurt sales I think. It was kind of like seeing a Mercedes painted Bondo gray.
 
Boy a guy leaves town for a few days and you guys start talking about my 532 without me
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Pete, I'm all ears. I would love to see a 532 in D2 or bearing steel or even BG42. Not too sure about making the scales that were previously offerred but I would still be interested.

I would like to see a stag bone handle or maybe cocobolo.

However, if you all offer the 532 on your custom shoppe, my worries (and money) are over.

The 532 IMO is the finest pocket knife that Buck has ever made. Yes Bob, I say pocket knife since I have been carrying my jig bone in the deer skin pouch that G2 made me.

This knife is large enough to be used for tougher work and small enough to be a larger gents knife and good looking enough to pass down to the kids some day.

Thanks all, glad to hear that maybe the underground club's voice is being heard.
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~Greg~


 
I almost forgot. If Pete is going to do the 532 than maybe....just maybe the Buck 531 should be considered too. For those who have not seen a 531, it is just a larger version of the 532 for those who want a nicely designed knife a tad biger complete with its file work. Here is a picture of the 532 and the 531 side by side. The dual blade knife is the 535 and I won't even go down that road
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. Took me nearly a year of looking to find all 3.

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~Greg~


 
You guys are the coolest! I knew you wouldn't let me down on this thread!

I suggested we give the 532 another try as an "elegant folder with high-end steel". I didn't get any arguments from anyone at Buck. I wanted to take all the credit for the idea, but I thought I should mention it came from BladeForums.

Anyway, I've gotten some great ideas for this model here, but the most important thing is the support you've given us for bringing it on. Putting a model in our catalog isn't just a matter of dusting off old tooling and starting up the line again, there are quite a few costs involved, so there is some risk.

We are calling it a limited edition for 2000, but if it is successful, then it will be a standard product from then on - possibly with the rest of the BuckLock models - 531 and 535.

Thanks again!

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pete quintanilla
Buck Knives, Inc.


 
A possible reintroduction of the whole Bucklock series? Ohhhhh boyyyy!

That would be incredible. When I mentioned the 531 and 535 I was on fanatsy mode and with Pete saying this may be possible...this is great news. I honestly believe that these are the best lockbacks out there period. I'm carrying my 532 in Jig Bone now and will always have a 532 on me.

Thanks for keeping us posted Pete. It feels good to be able to help get the midlocks back where they belong: AVAILABLE!
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~Greg~


 
Wow! I leave on a hunt for a week and come back to this thread! How cool! I will definitely throw in my vote for a 532 with BG-42 or similar steel and a bone handle. Jigged bone or smooth, doesn't matter to me. I would not mind the checkered wood handle if it was the same color as my rifle stock.
Thanks Pete, you have more clout than i do!



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Joe Houser
Director of Quality, Buck Knives Inc.
Buck Collectors club Administrator
 
All,
How many of you have seen the 110 with desert ironwood inlays? Sans handle pins, it
is one real beauty. May I suggest desert ironwood for the Bucklock series? This would
be beautiful and set the new series apart from the previous knives with impregnated
birchwood. With an upgraded steel such as BG-42, this series should be very popular.
 
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