What is happening under the quench line?

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This is a question that I have had for some time and I suspect that there won't be a simple answer, but I'm going to ask it any way. In looking at a differentially heat treated blade with a distinct quench line, if the blade is cross sectioned like the dotted line in the drawing below, what is happening with the hard/softer steel internally. Should it be like the drawing in the second picture with the softer steel dipping toward the edge in illustration A, resulting in a hard edge that is relatively thin? Or straight across to the quench line on the other side like in B. Or does it peak toward the spine as in C?

I have seen the results, illustrated by A, when I sectioned a blade made of 1084 after testing it. Clay was used to coat the back of the blade during the heat treatment. While I have no way to test the hardness of the ends of the cut blade, when it was etched the result looked like that illustrated by drawing A.

I have heard it suggested that results illustrated by C is what is obtained when a maker uses a torch to heat the edge prior to quenching, but have a problem understanding how harder steel can extend under softer when it seems the center would cool off slower than the outside of the steel. I guess I am assuming that during the quench, the steel cools off from the outside in, rather than the inside out.

There are several different ways to get a hard edge and softer spine. I suppose that the different methods might generate different results, but have never seen it addressed. Anyone want to take a shot at this?

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A is more likely with W2 because of lower Mn usually in the range od .2-.3.

B is more likely with 1080/1084 with Mn in the .6-.9 range.

C is pretty unlikely, I think.
 
Over at Don Fogg's site, there's an article under the craft section that might help a little bit. I think it's the one that compared water to oil quenched 1095.

Take care, Craig
 
From my experiance, 9 out of 10 blades will be like drawing B.

It would take a very thick blade to be like drawing A, but Russ is right about the alloy content.

C probably can't be done, now watch somebody do it :D
 
This is the one that came out like A. I was really surprised to see the etch show the thin layer of hard steel near the edge, but suspect that having a thin hard edge supported by a softer interior is what let me bend this blade back and forth several times more than 180 degrees with no edge cracking at all. I'm not one that thinks that bending a blade back and forth is a valid test for a knife, but was just seeing if it would pass the performance test for the ABS and got carried away. I'm going to try to get some pictures of the end of the sectioned blade. I would really like to find out how this happened because B is what I would think would be the target not A.
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