What is this and how's it made? (Warren Thomas Mod)

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I found this on eBay and it's the coolest thing I've ever seen, does anyone know how that blade is made? I know it's made of G10 with a carbide edge but I'd like to know how.
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-Theseus
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The blade looks to be some sort of Ti Damascus with a carbidized edge and a G10 onlay. Warren Thomas is pretty well known for this kind of work, he also uses CF rather than G10, on Titanium blade. Ti is not a very good material to make blades out of due to its lousy edge retention, but when it's cabidized, it gets a super toothy edge and the carbides do all the cutting. Like a crude serrated/saw like blade of sorts. How? More than likely with some strong epoxy, and a solid imagination with some creativity.
 
@JeremiahWeaver09 yes it was listed as an Emerson pimped by Warren Thomas

@jac_solar from what I've heard Carbon Fiber is extremely strong and light weight
 
The blade looks to be some sort of Ti Damascus with a carbidized edge and a G10 onlay. Warren Thomas is pretty well known for this kind of work, he also uses CF rather than G10, on Titanium blade. Ti is not a very good material to make blades out of due to its lousy edge retention, but when it's cabidized, it gets a super toothy edge and the carbides do all the cutting. Like a crude serrated/saw like blade of sorts. How? More than likely with some strong epoxy, and a solid imagination with some creativity.

This is very helpful,

Would you happen to know how to carbidize the edge?

Thanks for the fast response!
 
@JeremiahWeaver09 yes it was listed as an Emerson pimped by Warren Thomas

@jac_solar from what I've heard Carbon Fiber is extremely strong and light weight

I didn't mean the material; I meant the inlay on the blade, and how well its attached -- if it'll start to wear fast, or start chipping off, or if the adhesive will loosen around the edges, etc.
 
I would assume Warren Thomas uses tungsten carbide on the edge to to carbidize it and give it some ability to hold an edge. Although I believe that is just regular titanium, WT is known for creating that crazy anodizing pattern that makes it appear as though it is damascus. That's kind of one of his signatures, although I believe other people have figured out finally how to get that effect when anodizing.
 
This is very helpful,

Would you happen to know how to carbidize the edge?

Thanks for the fast response!

[video=youtube_share;5EONC0WTSxQ]http://youtu.be/5EONC0WTSxQ[/video]

I've owned a WT in the past, the ano he creates looks even better in hand.

However note that (as RevDevil said) the edge is super toothy and not fine like a knife edge, don't expect to use it to whittle hair or anything.

Edit: Here's a post by knifemaker Ban Tang about carbidized ti edges:

Most people think of Titanium knives as novelty items that hold very little practical value unless you are a diver (recreational, professional/commercial, EOD, etc). For the most part it is true. Titanium is soft, relative to steel, and it won’t hold an edge like a good heat-treated steel blade will. However, to the average civilian user, titanium offers a high strength-to-weight ratio, superior corrosion resistance, and a tough and ductile edge (so chipping shouldn’t be an issue).

Now, add some tungsten carbide to the mix and things start to look even more favorable for the titanium blade. Tungsten carbide is extremely hard; it’s a 9 in the Moh scale. A measurement of hardness on the Moh scale does not readily convert to the Rockwell C measurement most of us are familiar with, but I think it would be roughly in the mid 80's. If we apply a tungsten carbide edge to a titanium blade, we end up with a very low maintenance (effectively rustproof) piece of cutlery that can hold an edge just as well if not better than most quality steel edges. When a titanium blade is given a decent edge geometry, the carbide allows the titanium to hold a good edge and cut well.

I’ve been able to slice slivers of paper easily with a polished carbidized titanium blade. While it could no longer easily and cleanly slice paper after about 25-30 cuts through cardboard, I know it could have kept cutting cardboard for much longer without a problem. I have had a few guys put their carbidized Ti knives through the ringer, and all of them are amazed at how well the edges hold up and how easy they are to maintain. One guy used his knife to cut and lay up a yard full of sod. Needless to say the knife was dull afterwards from all the sand and various other grits in the soil, but it required minimal work to bring the edge back to working order. People have reported their Ti knives functioning well in a variety of tasks, including food prep, working with wood, and taking apart abrasive packaging materials (e.g. cardboard).

I, and others, have noticed that the carbidized edge will still cut very well even when it feels dull. In fact, the carbide edge can almost be considered self-sharpening: since the carbides are only applied to one side of the titanium blade edge, more carbide is exposed as the titanium wears away on the other side. This is similar to the self-sharpening phenomenon observed with the teeth of beavers. Actual sharpening of a carbidized titanium edge is very simple. See the sharpening and maintenance questions further along in this FAQ for more detail.

So why carbidized Ti knives? I think these knives should work well in the kitchen, where they would be cutting relatively soft, non-abrasive, material (veggies, fruit, meat) in a wet and corrosive environment. Titanium’s superior corrosion resistance, coupled with the easily maintained carbide edge, makes these knives perfect for every day kitchen duty. I also suspect that carbidized Ti knives will catch on with the ultralight hiking/backpacking crowd. A strong, lightweight, and very low maintenance knife sounds ideal for the ultralight backpacker - someone who typically isn’t out there building log cabins or doing things that require a fine edge.

How do I get the tungsten carbide onto the titanium? I currently use “The Carbidizer” from Travers Tool Co., Inc. Basically, this tungsten carbide applicator electronically embeds the carbides into the titanium. You can sort of think of it as a micro-weld, although no heat is generated. While I’m sure it’s not as fast or as powerful as the Rocklinizer, it does the job for me for now. I am currently looking into more powerful unit, which is supposed to be very close to the Rocklinizer for increased speed.
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This is very helpful,

Would you happen to know how to carbidize the edge?

Thanks for the fast response!
By using a carbidizer, it takes some practice and some knowledge of what your doing to get it right. Uderstanding the limitations of the carbidizer and the material being worked on.

I didn't mean the material; I meant the inlay on the blade, and how well its attached -- if it'll start to wear fast, or start chipping off, or if the adhesive will loosen around the edges, etc.

The onlay is robust, as it is more than likely epoxied onto the blade. Inlay is what the material sits in the blade or handle. It's like the difference of sitting in your car, vs sitting on your car.
 
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