What is this anyway, Knifeforums? Re: Hobbit

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Andy W

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I can only imagine my future after posting this. Gee kids, WTF? I can honestly say you're both acting like little stinking kids. I agree that Arcane was out of line, but I think he did stop, and never really threatened anything initially. It seems as though this little pissing contest was instigated by both sides, and not to lay blame, but Arcane did drop it at first until Spark unleashed his opinion.
OK, every now & then some of this gets crazy,& I'm sure you see this more than I do Spark, but you damn sure didn't seem to try to just let it die, instead you acted just like Arcane, even worse. I would think that virtually EVERYONE on this forum would attempt to hold you to a higher standard than the occasional poster, but hell right now I'd just like to see you act like an adult.
Hey I'm off my soapbox now, and headed back into lurk mode. And yes, I'm located in Ocala, FL so my ISP is close to both of theirs (or wherever Arcane might find himself). So, if you want to toss me in there with them and ban me too, go ahead. But before you get drastic, see my other posts, I don't make a habit of popping in to flame, and would like to think that those who know or recognize me here will probably have some respect for my opinion.
Anyone in agreement with me? Atleast before lockdown? Once again this isn't Knifeforums & all because they changed hands doesn't mean we have to take over their practices.

GROW UP, BOYS!
Andy
kilat@atlantic.net

[This message has been edited by Andy W (edited 03 December 1999).]
 
There might be some validity to your comments, but a troll's a troll. The Tolkien estate lost the copyright to the word "hobbit" about the same time that "aspirin" became public domain.

Maybe some future version of the UBB software will allow some distinction between administrator and super-moderator....
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Hear Hear Andy! Well said - I think past problems have colored a certain person's judgement in this case. Everybody needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and reevaluate the whole situation. Too much ego and testosterone on both sides escalated a relatively innocuous question into a major war. I say we put Spark & Arcane at 10 paces with SuperShooters and let them squirt each other to death with video at 11:00. There were no winners here - everybody lost. Now let's get back and enjoy ourselves!!!!

Bill
 
Hmmm... I really don't get the point of this argument at all. I read the closed thread & it looks like a lot of hassle over pretty much nothing. Everybody just needs to take a deep breath.
We now return you to the Bladeforums already in progress...

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Here's the deal:

Driscoll has used every opportunity to go after Bob on his own forum. He then started the thread in question, trolling for a fight.

When "Arcane", a poster that seemed to register just to jump into this thread, had the exact same IP as Driscoll, (a small ISP in Florida), I found that suspicious. I comment on this, and he goes off the deep end. So, he (Arcane) got banned. You'll note that I didn't ban Driscoll (Nor did I ban you Andy), I only banned ARCANE for his actions, and that was when he further escalated his crap.

I don't tolerate attacks on BladeForums.com against the members, moderators, and least of all on myself. Furthermore, if he had nothing to hide and was in fact innocent, he such picked a piss poor way to do it. There are a lot more productive methods than ranting and raving and acting like a child.

Instead of fighting me publically, he could have emailed me with his phone number like he said (which he didn't) and we could have discussed this, something he failed to do. Hell, he didn't even email me at all.

He then proceeds to act like a complete child and continues on. You'll note that I reasoned my argument and ARCANE's only response was that he proved he could spoof a IP address, instead of answering the intial question of why he was using the same ISP as Driscoll instead of one in VA (where he claimed to be). A lot of half truths, outright lies, attacks and insults later, I finally banned him. I should have done it after his 1st attack instead of showing restraint, but I guess that's what I get.

I resent you saying that I acted the same way, as I kept my calm at all times, despite how he acted like a complete child. The only instigating here was done by him, pure and simple. Other than that, I don't think you've looked at this clearly.

As for the rest, I'm dissappointed that you've decided to make an issue out of this obvious troll.

The Hobbit designs have been out for over 6 years. Do you really think that Bob hasn't dealt with this before? Do you think this is the first time this issue has come up? Do you really think that this was something other than an attempt to start a flame war? Come on... wake up.

Why he'd do this is beyond me. But the results are pretty obvious - a bunch of people upset over nothing substantial.

Second, I'm sorry that you think I'm doing a poor job here, but you need to realize that without me, BladeForums.com wouldn't be here. I'm sorry that you have to associate me with the bad guy who has to take care of the problems and act the heavy, but thems the breaks and someone has to do it.

Third, I find the comparisons to KnifeForums.com pretty funny, because these two sites are worlds apart, even on the worst days. On second thought, with a new owner at the helm, KFC is probably heading in the right direction now, and they should be able to reach their potential...

Look, if you feel you can do a better job, feel free to email me with your suggestions and step up to the plate. Otherwise I'd appreciate a little slack, especially when you don't know the full story. Nobody is perfect, let he without sin cast the first stone, etc.

Just keep in mind that when I act, I do so for a reason.

Spark

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[This message has been edited by Spark (edited 03 December 1999).]
 
Spark, I can see how some people might have seen your replies to "ARCANE" as being a bit "heavy". I was actually questioned on the point in private EMail by someone unconnected with events and otherwise trustworthy.

HOWEVER: some points are worth noting. I know all about "Proxy servers", so far as I've seen they don't tamper with IP addresses. If I'm wrong there let me know but I don't think so.

More importantly, go look at that last thread again. Note the similarities in writing style between Driscoll and "ARCANE", in particular the use of varying numbers of exclamation marks to vary the "stress" on different sentences. This is an unusual writing quirk and one they both share. There are other similarities but that one combined with the IPs is pretty solid proof of BS.

So my opinion remains that Spark called it right.

Y'all need to realize how many problems we've had from "wanna-be hackers". One key "game" we've seen before is the "one guy with many handles" syndrome, it's not a very fair way of playing and not something we want encouraged.

I spent too many years on unmoderated forums (mostly UseNet) where we had to sort out who was really who. The study of writing styles is a necessary skill sometimes.

Spark: I think the only mistake you made was along the lines of "rolling around with a pig and ending up looking dirty". Fools like that aren't worthy of public debate or serious personal stress levels.

That minor note aside, I remain fully supportive of Spark's moderation on the board past, present and future.

Jim March
 
Jim, surfing through a proxy server allows you to change the IP address that this site logs into it's logfiles. Since the server is the one retrieving the pages, it's IP shows up. It's one of the ways the anonymizer services work. The IP address you are assigned doesn't change, but this adds another mask to it, effectively hiding it.

If the overall impression is that I came off too harsh, you all have my apologies, it wasn't my intention. I believed I was acting with moderation and not sinking to his level, but if that wasn't the perception, I again apologize.

Spark

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Thanks for the replies. Like most have said, Arcane was out of control & should have been put to pasture. This happened and the problem is solved.
Maybe you took this a little too personally Spark, I never suggested that you step down as administrator, just said that as "the professional" involved in the thread, you should not have gone to his level (as Jim March stated). You state in your above response that "I kept my calm at all times, despite how he acted like a complete child". Honestly now, have you re-read your posts on that thread? I never said that I wouldn't have gotten pissed were I involved (I've had some SpecOp's wannabe pull my strings on the Socnet forum), but I still think that the whole problem would have fone away, if you had stopped responding to him. I'm sure that you see this much more often than I do, I only browse on a few different forums here, but I think you'll find that you will waste a lot of valuable energy fighting a battle where no one wins.
I'll admit that I was pretty ticked by the whole state of affairs when I opened this thread, and I can see that I have at least irritated you, so I aplogize. What I (and others I'm sure, I've been e-mailed as well) was expecting from my post was simply something like "Gee, I'm sorry for getting carried away, I'll try not to drag this out anymore", instead I get excuses and a little bit of attitude directed back at me.
No offense meant, just calm down, OK,
Andy
kilat@atlantic.net
 
OK Spark,
You're post went through while I was writing the above. Disregard above scolding!
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Andy
 
Not to belabor an already overblown issue but I must side with Spark here.

Beyond doubt, Spark has proven to be a fair and consistent Administrator and continues to provide a first-class service to the Internet knife community. Perhaps that's why, not knowing the background and research he had done, that his initial response to Discole-Arcane seemed overly assertive.

Actually, pointless as this Hobbit battle was, it did help to point up some of the other problems and frustrations that 'Net Administrators battle trying to provide a quality service.

I know that Spark has tried to stop those who abuse "free e-mail addresses" and rightly so. In a way it bothers me because for personally reasons I am more comfortable here with my listed Hotmail account althought I have, on several occassions, given Spark and other Forumites my real name and e-mail. Mainly because I do use a "handle" here I feel even more compelled to not speak up unless I can make a worthwhile contribution.

Let's give Spark a break here for all the labors he does on behalf of the Forum that we NEVER see.

Let's also serve notice to trolls everywhere that they only belong under bridges in the FAIRY realm and not in the world of serious knife discussions.

With that, Happy Holidays (early) to SPARK and everyone that helps make BLADEFORUMS great!

Bill Byrns
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[This message has been edited by Blade (edited 03 December 1999).]
 
Interesting, re: the IPs. Still, I think I'm on solid ground with the writing style thing.

Jim
 
Spark did what he had to. The IP thing suggests too many problems. Look at all of us who have gotten into tough discussions and controversy. I have never been banned and I am not neutral all of the time. Lets not get so wigged everytime someone gets into trouble. I think that arcane was looking for it, I may be wrong but he could have stopped it easily.
 
I, for one, cannot believe I let that troll play me like a puppet. That's what royally pisses me off the most.
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Spark and Bob Taylor, my apologies to you both for giving that SOB the fuel to start his little pissant flame.
Geez...

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I have watched both of these threads go on, standing back as a strict observer, and it has been amusing at how many times my name keeps coming up. I rarely post on the forums speaking up only when I read something that I can't avoid a comment on, so I don't have a million posts to back me up as to who I really am, and establish some type of credibility. I am not Arcane.

Driscoll
 
Which is why you weren't banned. My suspicions don't count for diddly squat if I can't back them up. Just because you two seemed to be using the same ISP, it doesn't mean you are the same person.

So, you weren't banned for Arcane's actions, because you hadn't done anything. It's that simple.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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Good Grief...

Driscoll,
IF and only IF you and Arcane are NOT the same person, I have no idea at this point, then please except my sincere and deeply embarrassed apology for my rude behavior toward you. It was and is completely out of line.
Once again, my apologies.

Sincerely wishing I was in Borneo right now,

Mike

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So, what IS the speed of dark?

 
I have just finished reading every thread, locked, deleted, and current regarding this/these arguments and flames. What a waste of my time. Kind of like catching myself watching Ricki Lake. I'm going to go somewhere where everyone is talking about knives.
 
And with that, it's probably time to lock this thread since nothing further productive is being gained out of it.

Spark

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