what kind of rivets are you using?

[vilePossum]

just wondering, especially since i have a hard time finding some which are long enough for 3+ layers of leather. might be because i don't know where to look. (i hope the shop links don't bother anyone, seeing as they are german ones anyways... if so i will of course remove them)
i am aware of the following types:
hollow tube rivets (with end cap or without)
https://www.rickert-werkzeug.de/de/...n-Ziernieten/Rundkopfnieten-120-mm.html?c=102
https://www.rickert-werkzeug.de/de/...rnieten/Hohlniete-Stahl-verkupfert.html?c=102

solid metal ones (i think i have seen them made of copper)
https://www.rickert-werkzeug.de/de/...Ziernieten/Kupferniete-mit-Scheibe.html?c=102

eyelets

chicago screws

i have zero experience with this kind of stuff... i ordered a trial batch of double headed hollow tube ones... and see where that leaves me.
also, for what do you generally use them? reinforcing, as a joint, backup for the seams/glue?

 

[Horsewright]

Wow am honored to have my work at the top of your list. I use to use a lot of those double cap rivets (first link). I got a bad batch and they wouldn't hold so I quit them. My supplier replaced the batch with others but they didn't hold either so I moved to the tubular rivets like your second link. I have them in brass and nickel. These open like a flower petal on the back side and hold very well. They just aren't as finished looking from both sides as the double cap ones. Your third link are copper rivet and burrs. I use these too on heavier items more saddelry related. I use to make a lot of pack saddles and related gear. These were used alot in that work.

On sheath work I occasionally use the tubular rivets to make a Slot and Loop sheath where the loop is riveted to the sheath. Thats a bout it. I did use them on that bowie suspender thing to attach the d rings. I'll see if I can find a pic of a Slot and Loop sheath.

Found some:

This shows the backside of a Slot and Loop sheath with 2 nickel tubular rivets. So the sheath carries like this:

Or it can be carried upside down like this one:

 

[vilePossum]

jup, you really are at the top of the list. i though it was about time that your knives also get a bit of mention. just ordered a file knife from lx_emergency because the price was right, now it's time to save up.

thank you so much for the pictures and your answers, that was exactly what i was hoping to learn. i did feel like the petal ones just don't look as nice but might hold better. i am not sure whether the copper ones would work for what i want (fixing 3 layers of leather for the belt loop-sheath connection), but seeing as you used them for more heavy duty applications, they might work.
i like the look of the double headed ones, but getting the right length is sort of a hassle... so i might try the copper ones.

thanks!

 

[Horsewright]

The copper ones won't let you down for sure they hold strong. You can get just long ones and trim to size with a pair of end nippers. You need to do that anyway when putting them on.

Basically there are two types of pack saddles, a Sawbuck and a Decker. A Sawbuck has two sets of crossed wooden uprights to which packs or panniers are hung and the Decker has metal arches that seve the same purpose. There are some regional differences with Deckers more popular in the Rockies and Sawbucks more popular here in CA. The Deckers are more versatile in what can be carried the Sawbucks are easier to pack. Both are basically trees with numerous straps attached to secure the tree to the horse with front and rear cinhas, breast collars and britchens (come over behind the horse's hip and prevent the saddle and load from sliding forward. All of these straps are just riveted together. Almost no sewing. In this pic there are a stack of 5 pack saddles on a log. Bottom two are Sawbucks as are the top two. There is a Decker in the middle that I can just see one of the metal arches and that canvas thing in the middle with the board is part of a Decker.

In use:

 

[vilePossum]

thanks alot for all the pictures and the advice! i guess i will give the copper ones a try.

 

[Omega Leather Works]

I bought a pack of silver and brass double caps with a setter and anvil and love them for the way I use them. They aren't really designed for hard wear in pulling applications, but work great for setting things like steel clips in place.

That ain't goin anywhere. I did try getting a few doubles to fail, and I can, but the batch I have take fairly unreasonable force to do so.

I have the copper and burrs, but have never needed them.

 

[vilePossum]

thanks for the picutres anthony, how is your back coming along?

i was thinking about something along these lines:



there is no practical reason why i thought about it, mainly just wanting to try something new. the front and back piece would have these flares and inbetween would be the welt and seperately from that the belt strap, fixed by the rivets. so, i would use normal stitching for the sheath/welt part and riveting for the attachment of the strap.

also thought about a "gravity lock" sheath, but not convinced it would work.