What kind of sharp would this be?

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So I found that my favorite sharpness level is ...well I don't know if it's a semi mirror edge or a toothy polished edge if that makes sense. It's smooth when you lightly run your thumb print side against it but as soon as a tad more pressure is applied your finger catches and unexpectedly cut yourself. The weight of the blade alone when pulled on your skin will instantly cut and it can whittle a single hanging hair strand if it doesn't tree top it right away. What would this edge be described as...im kinda stumped.
 
Sharp, sharp with a slightly refined edge or any other way you wish to describe it. But you have hit a level of sharpness few know about and even fewer have obtained, congratulations and take pride in that.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I did make my endura whittle hair before the convex but after I just can't get it to catch like it used to i have a picture I can try and upload. I have the flash on the camera so I my phone would pick up the hair and the curl. That would be an HHT level 2 now right? Probably an HHT4 before the convex grind was added
 
It sounds like a rather polished edge that has tooth. Whether that's "toothy polished", or "polished toothy"... who knows. My question would be how do you achieve this edge? What progression and what technique?

Brian.
 
Brian ,
It depends what it takes to together it to that sharpness. Generally it's just the course dmt until the edge can cleanly push shave and then it's progressing through the rest of stones until I feel it getting smoother and grippier. I'm terrible with explaining things in detail but if you can give me some points to address I can probably do better.

Chris,
This is a picture of the endura making the hair curl. It was the first piece of hair it didn't chop in half right away so I put the knife down and grabbed my phone and took a picture. Again sorry for poor quality
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Here is my 940-1 and a few pieces of hair also I just did this today right off the stones
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Now that is impressive. And hard to achieve. I can get my Delica to whittle beard hair but not the thinner head hair.

Congratulations. Hopefully one day I will be able to achieve this
 
Nice!

I'm curious if you do a blade swap.

Reason: I haven't seen any Endura Emerson plain / satin blade with handle other than black.
And .... There's ton of fake Chinese made Emerson Endura with colorful handles! They fake this the most together with ZDP FFG also with colorful handle :eek:
Google aliexpress C10 knife ;)

Regardless, I wish I can consistently achieve that on my VG10 :thumbup:
 
Chris "Anagarika";15863101 said:
Nice!

I'm curious if you do a blade swap.

Reason: I haven't seen any Endura Emerson plain / satin blade with handle other than black.
And .... There's ton of fake Chinese made Emerson Endura with colorful handles! They fake this the most together with ZDP FFG also with colorful handle :eek:
Google aliexpress C10 knife ;)

Regardless, I wish I can consistently achieve that on my VG10 :thumbup:

My e4w box says it has a grey handle. It's more of a dark blue if ya ask me. The flash on the camera made it look lighter though. I hope it's not a fake..I'd be sad haha

This is a picture of the handle with a flashlight shined on it and no camera flash
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Hair whittling doesn't mean much without knowing edge thickness, angle, and how flat and true the sides of that final angle are... And insuring the consistent absence of a wire edge... A wire edge can whittle hairs all day... In my experience, true sharpness in a variety of materials is determined by how true and flat the final bevel is, and edge holding is often determined by the consistent lack of wire edge (or not creating one by rolling the blade while chopping wood)...

I do see what you mean in that the edge you describe is not mirror-polished, but finished-up with coarser grit as a final step, to give it "bite": That is indeed the way to go for aggression, but hair-whittling is not really a test or a goal to aim for... It could be misleading as to actual performance...

Aiming to whittle hair means the edge is still fairly highly polished, and while polished edges can perform some things better than anything else (they sure cut paper well), generally I find them inferior, because the action of putting a fine polish on them inevitably rounds off the very end of the bevel... This rounded bevel may push-cut extremely well, like Japanese swords do, but that is still not an edge I would want...

If it whittles hair and is 10 degrees per side on a 0.020" thick edge, perfectly flat sided, then it will cut anyway, and the hair-whittling ability will contribute nearly nothing... The true edge side flatness is what does... That is why I never found any use for convexed edges...

Some of the most aggressive edges I've experienced, edges that would cut you involuntarily with a scary depth of cut, often turned out to be wire edges... In other words, crap unsteady edges... And removing them to a high polish again means rounding off the final bevel... Better to just barely remove the wire edge and immediately stop...

Polished edges I own, done by professionals on WickedEdge to 15 degrees per side, you can easily run your finger across them, because they are initially so biteless and unaggressive, and then they cut you by surprise, very deeply, and it is surprising: The reason it is surprising is not that these edges are so effective, but because they seem so unaggressive at first, they lure you to run your finger too hard on them, and that extra pressure, as the skin finally gives, makes the cut way more violent...: And then you think: Wow!

I have hair whittling edges on those I own that are done by professionals, emphatically not sharpened by me, and while they do OK in performance owing the guided sharpener and the resulting true flat surfaces, that are also polished, they can't compare in performance to the rougher edges I do freehand, going no lower than worn DMT coarse... This is in part because I close the angle way below 15 per side, which many guided sharpeners have great trouble doing... 15 per side is still a pretty clumsy 30 degree wedge...

Gaston
 
I have looked with a 30x loupe I personally cannot see the wire edge at all anymore. In those pictures I never once used a strop either. They come right off of the uf stone. Still not say that there couldn't indeed be a microscopic one but in all honesty those 2 blades pictured are sharp and done by me. You can try the HHT in the link that deadbox shared and gather your own results from your professionally sharpened blades and your own. Post some results. I am not here to try and trick anyone or whatever it is you are tryin to get at...I just posted these pictures to show the kind of shsrp that I like...doesn't mean you have to like it.
 
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