What made you pick a pattern?

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I was wondering about how many of us are attracted to a certain style of knife. Harness jacks, barlow's, stockmen, peanuts, or any other brand or type that draws you over another style of knife? And is it because a family member or mentor was an important factor in your choice of knife?

I have no doubt that in my case, (no pun intended, really!) my own end has been influenced by memories of my father. It's a weird thing, but when he was alive, I didn't even think of carrying a peanut. But after he passed away, his old knife sitting up on top of my dresser was like a reminder of him. Even then it took a good while until I felt compelled by some unknown reason to drop it in my pocket one morning before going off to work.

There was Mr. Van of course, with his Excalliber of scout knives, the Remington that dangled from his belt on the "Official" belt hanger. It was there in plain sight for all us young scouts to see, and of course lust after. But then Mr. Van would always have one of his 3 1/8 or 3 1/4 two blade serpentine jacks in a pocket for detail carving. He'd do these Indian faces in neckerchief rings, or odd winding Celtic designs on napkin rings with the small blade that he had like a surgeons scalpel. He take the tiniest of chips at a time, and he'd end up with a piece of art. His little two blade jacks came from Schrade, Camillus, Case, Imperial, and some others. It's almost like is old Remington was the special use knife, and the two blade jack in his pants pockets was for all the other cutting.

There was the time we had made moccasins for a project. There was some leather cutting, and when they were done, Mr. Van had us tie the laces just to where we could slip them on like loafers, maybe a little snugger. Then he'd take some glue from a round can with a brush attached to the cap and glue the knot where it was tied. The knot, when dry was a rock hard little ball, then if we'd not trimmed the ends clean enough for Mr. Van, he'd take the moccasin and with the small blade of his pocket knife, slice it off clean with the glued knot. It was a little scary for us 12 year olds to watch as the blade just seemed to glide like magic through the glue smeared rawhide lace. Then the rest of the camp out we'd practice sneaking around the woods, trying be as silent as what we'd imagine an Indian would be. It was then that Mr. Van offered up the unimaginable prize.

He told us that for the rest of the afternoon, if one of us managed to sneak up and grab his Remington, the scout could have it. A hush fell over the scouts, and who knows what thoughts went through young minds to be so tempted. The competition was on. During the afternoon, scout after scout failed. If he heard anything behind him, Mr. Van would blow the whistle that was hanging around his neck. The old Marine seemed to have eyes in back of his head. Ears that heard the faintest of whisper of leaves. Then Peter Kendall seemed on the brink of a Remington scout knife.

Mr. Van was working on his old Kaywoodie pipe, fiddling with the tamping of the tobacco to get it just right. Peter was within an arms reach of the prize, taking time to place each foot carefully before putting his weight on it. Step by step, he inched closer to Mr. Van who seemed totally unaware of Pete's silent advance on the sacred Remington. His hand reached slowly...

With a sudden move, almost as fast as a striking rattler, Mr. Van's hand shot down and grabbed Pete's wrist just inches from the knife, with Pete letting loose a scream of shock.

"Mr. Kendall, if you're going to sneak up on someone, breath through your mouth in shallow breaths. You sounded like a blacksmiths bellows behind me." Mr. Van told him with a voice that echoed through the campsite. "How ever, your footsteps were unheard."

Pete walked away with a proud swagger, he'd come closer that any of us to grabbing the prize. Mr. Van kept his prized Remington, but we all learned something about being quiet in the woods. Breath through our mouths.

Then there was my dad and the peanut. If ever there was a lesson in minimalism, he would have been the professor. A quiet thoughtful man, he would give a moment to contemplate what he was doing, and then do it in a low key manor that made it seem like he'd hardly been bothered by it. He and Uncle Paul were two of a kind. Both seemed to be able to do with almost nothing. Like Mr. Van, they both carried a small two blade jack. Uncle Paul always had the advertising knives that came his way at the Wright-Patterson engine plant in New Jersey where he was a machinist. Some had advertising from TRW drill bits, some Starret tools, but all had the cracked ice celluloid handles of the day, or white plastic. But all had thin carbon steel blades that really did cut well and hold a decent edge. They were usually as small as my dad's peanut, but Uncle Paul seems to get by with it. No matter if he was making a twine and wax gasket for a leaking sink, or getting ready to gut a nice size Rockfish, he'd hesitate, poised with knife in hand planing the cut, then going to work. Dad was the same way, a studied hesitation to size it up, then a quiet snick as the knife was opened and the job set about according to the plan in his head. No matter if cutting pine boughs for getting stuck car out of mud, or trimming a chicken liver for catfish hunting. I often wonder if dad had carried a barlow or a trapper, would I have been a barlow or trapper fan?

So what knife is it for you guys? Is there a favorite Uncle, grandfather, or other mentor that a certain pattern knife reminds you of?

Carl.
 
You may not believe me but I have never owned the one knife I always wanted.

From the time I grew up until now I have always thought the square bolstered serpentine jack was the epitome of what a pocket knife should be. Simple, elegant, clean lines, and two blades of different size. The trouble is that I only want it in carbon steel, preferably 1095, and a nice bone. I've considered buying an old 6232 Case from the series I remember from my youth... but I'd feel guilty putting a collector's knife to work as a pocket knife. And I was convinced that Queen was going to make it years back and then didn't.

Now I have a canoe for hard work, gardening and hiking and the like. I have a small cigar for dress occasions. And my two edc knives are a mini trapper and a new GEC moose. They all have two 1095 blades and they are all bone handled. And I also have some 20 knives or so split into 4 groups representing a few series of knives during my life that I found interesting and worth holding on to.

But still no serpentine jack. Kind of odd isn't it?

Will
 
Carl,
you know, I'm not sure if I can give a decent answer to your question...but I'll try.
I was born and raised in a land that, basically, only offered one kind of knife: the resolza. Every time I saw a folding knife, it would be one of them. Could be bigger or smaller, light horn or dark horn, but in the end, it was always the same knife. Oddly, I don't have a particular memory of any man of my family using his knife. I suppose it's because they all had one. Time has passed, and I've seen many different knives, learned something about them, and so on, but still that is "my" knife, even though I wouldn't carry one now. But if I'm in the kitchen, or I have guests and I'm offering cheese or sausages or stuff like that, you can bet what knife I will put on the table.
Then, came the tv series. And one man threw chops of dry wood into the fire that a spark had lighted up inside of me. The spark came from a window in a small tobacco shop close to where I lived. The man was Richard Dean Anderson...or Angus McGyver. And it was the Swiss fire. I went out, and bought my first knife. I still carry it, and I have it on my work keys right now. A red Spartan with no T&T.
Then, there were years of "nowhere land". Sometimes I carried a knife, sometimes I wouldn't.
The, the fire that was hidden under the ashes began to flame again. And I started learning about other knives, other Italian traditional patterns, then foreign knives, and so on. I had a flash of modern folders, but quickly stepped back to traditionals.
Now I choose a pattern depending on what I like, and what I think suits better my needs.
But I can't tell if hundreds of nameless men that I have seen handling a knife, in stories, movies, novels, around me, have any role in my choice.
Rationally, I'd say no. But then again, deep inside, I'd know that's not the whole truth...

Fausto
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I carry a redbone peanut. The red bone was chosen because of the lineage of red bone in my family, and the peanut was chosen because of YOU, Jackknife. Thanks a million for introducing me to my new favorite pattern.
 
- There are two main knives that haunt me.. but even more that keep coming into the picture.
My 3 1/4" stockman (and the stockman pattern in general). It was my great-grandfather's knife, made in St. Louis. (I can take a pic or two if yer interested) To my knowledge there are 3 options if I wanted a reasonably priced 3 1/4" stockman. There is the Buck 303, the Queen Small stockman, and the 34OT. I have a 34OT but it bugs me to use it because I want to keep it nice so when I'm old I can show my grandkids what a genuine Old Timer looked like. I don't want the Queen because it has D2 steel and I don't like difficult-to-sharpen steel. I’m still strongly considering the 303 but not sure about the thickness of the blades and if I could tolerate carrying stainless all the time. Stockmans are great because of the sheepsfoot blade, but I find myself reaching for the clip blade before the sheepsfoot 9 times out of 10.

Then there's the peanut. I was really getting into traditionals and I had read Carl's stories. I had never before wanted to buy something so small so badly. When it finally arrived it was like Christmas morning in July. (yeah, I remember the month I got my peanut in). Since then this little knife had done a lot for me and has never gotten in the way or been obtrusive in the least bit. It has not gotten many negative remarks and I like it. The serpentine shape is by far the most elegant I have seen. The blade is plenty for edc and is definitely what I carry most often. There is little that I can say about it that already hasn’t been said

But I do find myself branching out to other things. For example, at the moment I am really taking a fancy to a mini trapper, which has a sleek, classic look as well as being very comfortable because it fits in the hand nicely and has no sheepsfoot blade protruding into my fingers. It has a clip blade for utility and a spey blade for food, which are separated by a liner. It is big enough to be a comfortable knife for carry in the woods but also small and friendly enough for edc. It might end up being the knife that works the best for me.

The next knives are a Buck 301 Stockman and my newer 501 Squire. Many knives in my family are Buck, so naturally I am attracted to them. They are inexpensive working knives and like how they look. The 301 is a great traditional knife and the 501 is a fantastic little lockback. The 301 is a bulky rock in my pocket and gets annoying quickly. The 501 took the place of the 301 in the Buck category. I'll admit they are kind of nostalgic knives for me, although they are very tough functional knives and I do use them quite often. I admire both but whenever I carry them I miss my thin carbon steel knives.

Sometimes the old Soddie Jr comes into the picture but the lack of a definite point keeps it at bay as a true edc. For edc it’s all about the point. I tried very hard to like SAKs. But while they do everything…. They just don’t do it for me, if you know what I mean. I do carry a Classic every day, although don’t consider it a knife. You could snap off the blade and it wouldn’t make any difference to me.

Another thing to consider in my quest to be a one-knife-man is if the knife can perform in the outdoors as well as the indoors. Can it gut a fish, carve some tent pegs, then go home and cut my sandwich?

So there's my formula. Sentimental satisfaction + forum satisfaction + nostalgia + looks + function = my knife. So far this formula has narrowed down the options significantly. I tend to obsess over finding THE knife. I can’t simply just settle with a few knives. I want my great grandson to hold up my knife and say “This is my great grandfathers knife. He used it for everything: for working, hunting, fishing, camping, and everything else. This was his” just as I am holding my great grandfather’s knife and saying the same.

I know I sound crazy but c’mon, searching for that perfect knife is better than anything on TV. :rolleyes:
 
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My favorite pattern is a stockman.
Sometime in the early 70's, I bought a Buck 303 Cadet (3 1/4" stockman pattern made by Camillus for Buck). I carried that knife every day for years. Lost it in ~ 1980 and bought another, which I carried every day until sometime in the 90's.

It's that 303 stockman pattern which is burned into my memory banks to the extent that, if you say "knife", a mental picture of that black scaled Buck 303 is the first thing that pops into my head.

Ah, so why did I get a stockman you ask? Because I needed a pocket knife and Kingston House, the knife shop I frequented in my youth, had it in stock and it was made by Buck.

The root cause of my affection for the stockman pattern is Brand Loyalty. I'd had a "folding hunter" as the 110 was called for a few years, and I had a couple of Buck fixed blades. They were great knives, so "Buck" was the brand I trusted. (Still do for that matter.)

The good Lord only knows upon which pattern I would be fixated if I'd been a Case man.
 
I don't recall anyone in my family using any ONE pattern of knife except my Paupa with the Hammer striped switch he used fishing. I really wish I could just love one pattern. I'd love to have one knife that my daughter could say "yep, he always had that on him". I cycle through though. Sometimes a peanut for a few weeks. Then the SBJ. Then an EO jack - that's probably my obsession right now. My favorite pattern of all time is the 194ot, sharpened one tonight - But I don't seem to carry it much even though I have a handful. It's weird. I carry my fishing knife every time I go fishing. I usually carry a fixed blade on long bike trips. But other times, I get stuck on one for a couple weeks. I like stockman and whittlers, but I generally end up with a two bladed knife in my pocket. I can't commit to one, though. If I had to choose, man, i like the Forum EO jack. And I like the SBJ. I could go a long time with one of them. But I don't. Funny. And yeah, I agree, I probably wouldn't own a peanut if it wasn't for you, Carl. But I do, and I love it. Always have a small knife on my keys. A little CRKT number. Oh, and I LOVE TL-29s, and have a bunch, but I rarely, rarely pocket one. Too heavy. Ain't making no sense. :rolleyes:
 
Hi Carl
I have read this story quite a few times, and thought very carefully about my response.
I didnt grow up in a knife carrying family, and to be honest, I didnt really know too much about Tradional slip-joints until a couple of years ago until I joined this most fantastic place!,and boy!! what a couple of years it has been!
Now... it is such an essential part of my my life I just do not know just how we here at New Zealand can live without carrying a neat, aesthetically pleasing and VERY handy slipjoint.
I admire greatly the lessons that Mr Van taught his kids, and I only wish I knew a man of his stature when I was young, to be honest...it would have saved me a lot of time i8n learning just what humility meant!
The Harness Jack means so much to me, to be honest I do not know why, as I say, a very small time of my life has been committed to slipjoints, but such a major part of commitment, passion has been dedicated to the knife, that I feel I know enough that the Jack at this moment and time holds a very special place... be it aesthetically? it has more meaning than anything. perhaps because I am relatively new with these knives? I find that one main knife, and possibly a punch etc is enough for me.

Today's times demand the real usage of a knife, I only require a single blade, and in my honest opinion... the looks of a knife is massively important to me, i apologise if this sounds silly, but it is what it is for me
 
my first knife was small German slip joint with brass scales that my grandfather gave me(he also gave me my first air-gun,and fixed blade,small hunting knife)
wish i know what happened with that knife :confused: ,but later i found SAK(literally found it on the beach)with one broken scale,and i treasured that find for many years,at that time it was ultimate folding knife for me, until i met guy with Buck 55,sharpest thing i ever sow,i knew then,there is undiscovered world of knives waiting for me to discover,it wasn't easy,considering place i lived at that time(limbo of the World :D )
When i started sailing bigger boats(sailing yachts)as was discovering Mediterranean,i discovered different knives, magazines and books about knives,and trough them modern folders.
My job gave me opportunity to see some of new knives and i bought some i liked, but non of them really got to me,as "old" knives.For some reason they where lacking "quality" of old knives or i just couldn't see it.
Anyway,journey brought me here,and again i discover new world of traditional patterns,so many to try,until i find one that suits me best,
all i know for now, it is one or two blade knife,clip or wharnie,(or both,i like to whittle)size of 3.5"-4" ,pattern still undecided.
then again, journey is destination ;)
 
Stockman. Just tradition. We used to buy them at the corner store for very little back in the days when you could actually carry one to school and play with it out in the school yard. Just never changed, but the times sure did.
 
I carry a Case Trapper for my plumbing jobs because that is what my Master carried and used. I saw him do stuff that would make your skin crawl, but he would just resharpen it and it would be as good as new! After my little cheap knife that I had bent, yes bent, he told me to get a real knife. That's when I bought my first Case trapper. I have believed in them ever since. I have recently acquired my own apprentice. His first day on the job, he didn't have a knife on him!

He saw really quick how important it was to have a nice knife and kept having to ask for mine. He worked really hard and is really gung ho, so as partial payment for helping me, I gifted him a Case Trapper. I told him that from now on, he better have that knife with him every time he works with me! He immediately agreed to that. He is not a knife guy, but he carries that big ole trapper even on his off days!

I also carry a SBJ. My wife bought me a MOP one with my name on it as a reward for a State Appointment I received. Now I am hooked!! I carry a Chestnut Bone one all the time, and use the MOP for when I am at the meetings with the State.
 
My preferences in knives doesn't come from emulation. My dad isn't a knife guy and my grandfather only had a couple of rusty old scout knives in his basement. He let me have one and that started my fascination. I was pretty much left on my own to form my own ideas so maybe that's why I like such a wide variety of patterns and styles.
 
Well I carry a Peanut everyday because of your influence Carl :D. It just seems to work for me. But if it wasn't for the Peanut, I'd be carrying a Stockman. Most of the men in my family are blue collar hard-working types of guys, and everyone of them carries a Stockman. My dad carried a stockman, my uncle, both grandpa's etc etc. The stockman is our unofficial pocket knife of the family I guess. But for my needs, I don't really need a stockman. So since the Peanut is so functional, and you've written so much about it, the Peanut is "my" knife.
 
Yella Handle Peanut, Carls fault:D
Opinel au Carbon because of my upbringing with simple one bladed pocket knives. Never really liked the Herder Sodbuster my Dad and Granddad carried.
And the Opinel was the knife we got issued with at my first job in a flexogaphic printing factory back in 1990;)

But I hardly need a big blade for my day to day cuttings, so it's the Peanut most of the time (still Carl's fault:))
 
My ''ancestral'' knife would have to be a peanut or small stockman. All my uncles, grandpas, and my Dad carry/carried one of the two.
Barlows, Bucks, Old Timers and no-name ''advertisement'' blades.

My Dad always has a Schrade peanut in his pocket, or a tiny yellow-handled peanut that I don't know brand of (I will check). I've never seen him use anything else, he owns a couple sheath knives for hunting but the peanut is all EDCs.


That being said, I've never carried one much, my first knife was a Schrade small stockman, Still have it somewhere but aint carried it in years. I started carrying a larger blade, and I prefer single-blade folders, never liked ergonomics on multi-blade knives.

My fave EDC folders are my Case Sodbuster in CV and my Buck 110 with the Case being my EDC 98% of the time, bout only time I carry the 110 is while hunting or in situations where I feel I might lose my Case.

To be honest, the Sodbuster is not the optimum blade, I like a locking mechanism, and the Case has almost no defined point. But after ~13 years of carrying/using it I am accustomed to it, and have learned that I would rather have NO lock and Know it then have a locking knife I cant trust.

If I ever have kids, without a doubt my ol yella Case will be what they call ''Dad's Knife''. I don't go anywhere without it.


My EDC is a lil rougher then some, I have always worked blue-collar, my Case has cut litegauge wire, scraped steel, used as a prybar, used as a screwdriver, I've hammered pins/bolts in with it (as can be witnessed by the marks on the backspine) it's been stuck in a log then thrown in a campfire (drunk friends), Ive skinned/gutted numerous deer with it and uncounted squirrels/rabbits/fish. It has sailed thru unscathed, will still get hair-popping sharp with minimal effort and it Keeps that edge. I just blow the lint out of it on occasion, take a wirebrush to it once a year or so to knock some of the tarnish down, and oil it with RemOil when I think about it LOL

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My Grandpa carried a large Boker Stockman,he used it for everything.My Dad is not much of a knife guy,but carries an Uncle Henry LB7 in a leather sheath,that I gifted him around 1980.To be honest I don't think he's ever cut anything with it,does'nt want to hurt it:rolleyes:.He is funny about things like that,read perfectionist.I was kind of a Stockman guy and own several,with my favorite being the Old timer 340t.Then I started reading Carls stories about the marvelous little Case Peanut,I held off for awhile.Then Carl got his little Damascus Case Peanut,and that was it.My Wife bought one for me a month later,and that little Damascus Peanut has ridden in my pocket ever since.It has become my "one" and I just love it,Thank you Carl:).-Jim
 
I didn't grow up with slipjoints, so I don't have the ancestral memory of them that most here seem to have. My tastes in slipjoints has been influenced by the time I've spent here more than anything else. As a matter of fact, your stories have directly led to me acquiring a couple of knives. My Ohta was inspired by reading about your Grandpa's knife; I wanted something similar to it. And your tales of Mr. Van gave me a hankering for a carbon steel, bone handled scout knife.

- Christian
 
I've carried manyk knives. Large, medium, and small stockmen, Sodbuster jrs in both CV and SS, Trappers, Toothpicks, a Buck Hartsook (love that little guy, by the way, thanx Carl). I've carried Peanuts, tacticools, fixed knives, Two and three layer SAKs, and multitools to name a few. But the one knife I carry that gets the most use, the one that is ALWAYS with me, and the one I just can't switch out for another is the Vic Classic. It was picked out by my older daughter years ago, and is on my keychain. It is battered and scarred, but still going strong. It is my version of Carl's father's Peanut, in that I use it for everything, even jobs it has no business tackling, and it causes me to think before cutting. My kids already know it as "Dad's knife", because it is the knife they are talking about when they ask me to use my knife to cut something. As to what made me pick it? Carl's wife did. Through Carl's stories about how she abused the crap out of one and it hung in there, I realized it was a really good little cutter, practical, functional, and tough. Like Carl, I thought it was nothing but a toy. Now, even though I have a rotation going on in my pocket, if I had to choose ONE knife to use for the rest of my life, it would be the little Classic.
 
My Dad bought this knife when he was 17 and he used it all his life. He bought it with the $3.50 he had left over after buying a rifle.

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He gave that knife to me and I cherish it, but I wanted one like it- so I found a newer one to carry:

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Well that one went to Dad for Christmas, and now he carries it all the time! I still needed one for myself, though, so I found this nice stainless model:

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Now I'm happy! The thing is though, that this my daily carry work knife:

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I just can't bring myself to carry my other knives, when this one is there to keep them from getting all scratched up! It's a great stockman pattern, with the added utility of a fourth thin blade, and it only cost about 30 bucks. I guess I'm doomed to have some knives that are "work knives" and others that are "fondlin' knives!"
 
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