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What makes a knife "tactical?"

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I guess it is an age thing. Perhaps the answer is inspired by movies or video games. All my life I have had hunting knives, boot knives and machetes. Occasionally someone had a knife made for fighting such as a Sykes-Fairburn dagger or a Gerber MK-I. Sometime in the 70's we started hearing about "survival knives" all the time. But since about the turn of the millenium, I have started hearing about this or that "tactical knife." And half the knives available are called "tactical."

What makes a knife "tactical" rather than what we would have just called a "fighter." Are there specific characteristics or is it all marketing??
 
Pretty much the name.
Take the same knife and you can market is as:
-Tactical
-Bushcraft
-Utility
-Survival
 
If you look at the definition of 'tactical' and 'tactic', it describes "an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end." With that in mind, I guess knives with certain 'features' make it tactical. Usually when I hear the word, I think of law enforcement or military. But I guess any knife can be seen as tactical as long as it's used in a way that the manufacturer designed it to be used.
 
Tactical in this context is nothing more than a very tired and overused marketing term. Think about it, if you knew what you were doing, you could successfully defend yourself with a 1-2" bladed knife. Several instructors of MBC favor smaller knives for their concealment and versatility. Just my thoughts anyway.
 
Military-esque design features and marketing.

Coated blades, black handles, silly logos and model names, over the top advertising, keywords like "military" "operator" and "covert"... that sort of thing.

Sometimes it's harmless, sometimes it's annoying, and sometimes it's laughable.
 
If you look at the definition of 'tactical' and 'tactic', it describes "an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end." With that in mind, I guess knives with certain 'features' make it tactical. Usually when I hear the word, I think of law enforcement or military. But I guess any knife can be seen as tactical as long as it's used in a way that the manufacturer designed it to be used.

If this is the case, then I just used a tactical butter knife to apply butter to some pancakes. With 7 pieces of Wrights bacon smothered in syrup. God it was good.
 
I usually use it to mean "a one handed opening, locking folder." But I think that use doesn't work well anymore....you start talking about tacticals like a Delica and "tactical" tacticals like stuff with skulls and a bunch of text etched on the blade. :grumpy:
 
I'd say an SAK is one of the most realistically tactical blades out there. Considering a knife tactical because it's black.or a tanto is far fetched. Then again, the new cool guy fad is "bushcraft".
 
If this is the case, then I just used a tactical butter knife to apply butter to some pancakes. With 7 pieces of Wrights bacon smothered in syrup. God it was good.

Lol. Yup! I have a tactical butter knife too! Very useful.
 
I'd say an SAK is one of the most realistically tactical blades out there. Considering a knife tactical because it's black.or a tanto is far fetched. Then again, the new cool guy fad is "bushcraft".

"bushcraft" was at least 2 or 3 marketing catchwords ago. We have had "zombie" ('member all the "toxic green" handle scales? :foot:) and "survival" since then, at least.
 
I guess it is an age thing. Perhaps the answer is inspired by movies or video games. All my life I have had hunting knives, boot knives and machetes. Occasionally someone had a knife made for fighting such as a Sykes-Fairburn dagger or a Gerber MK-I. Sometime in the 70's we started hearing about "survival knives" all the time. But since about the turn of the millenium, I have started hearing about this or that "tactical knife." And half the knives available are called "tactical."

What makes a knife "tactical" rather than what we would have just called a "fighter." Are there specific characteristics or is it all marketing??

It's all marketing, there are lots of threads on this.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/242298-What-makes-a-knife-quot-Tactical-quot/page2

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/232836-What-makes-a-quot-tactical-knife-quot-great

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/129685-What-makes-a-knife-NOT-a-Tactical

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/129764-What-makes-a-knife-a-Tactical

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1102123-what-makes-a-good-combat-tactical-knife

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/539642-Can-you-define-tactical

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1125507-What-constitutes-a-quot-tactical-folder-quot-in-your-opinion?highlight=tactical

And here's a quote from myself that sums my thoughts up on it nicely

No, it doesn't.

A functional non glare finish IS Black Paint. BY definition black krylon would be a functional non-glare finish. If you were in the field and for some reason needed a field exediant non-glare finish that was functional and you had a can of matte black spray paint, it would not only suffice but work wonderfully. I think you're just eager to discuss something, but this is a cluster muck discussion that is going nowhere as is. When you listed "Spyder Hole" as something that makes a knife tactical, I actually thought this was a joke or a troll.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're confused, as opposed to trolling. There is no need to, and actually no way to 'clear up the definition of tactical' as it applies to knives. It's a marketing term, and applied to something SOG sells it has very little to do with the dictionary term for tactics, or strategy for that matter. You can call anything you want tactical, and your self appointed definition of Tactical as it applies to knives (which is what you said you're asking for?) matters less to everyone else than a generalized consensus that could be applied (which is still a worthless exercise). Manufacturers certainly don't set out a criteria for labeling a product tactical - at least not in the majority of cases. This whole discussion has been had here before, I'm guessing 100 times (I've read it twice in the last month, so I assume it gets that much play over time). It's a fools errand trying to set a criteria for a term that doesn't explain anything. Asking everybody to give a different definition of tactical is even more confusing and leads to nowhere.

If enthusiasts aimed to clear up the term tactical as it applies to knives, it would help by first narrowing down the definition to combat applications. Using my existing knowledge of combat applications, it is fairly simple to list a set of criteria that lends itself to combat scenarios, but for a weapon to be combat applicable it would not have to meet all of those criteria, and would actually be combat applicable if it met a single criteria (that is part of the reason that defining tactical as it applies to the marketing term is a fools errand). For a tactical folder some of the most important would be:

1. Capable of thrusting attacks
2. Easily Accessible/ Assisted Opening / Automatic Opening
3. Matte non-glare finish
4. Corrosion Resistant
5. More than 4" blade length
6. Tough Steel / Wear Resistant
7. Ergonomic Grip
8. Ergonomics that aid in retention (why Jimping would be a plus lol)
9. Non-Snag
10. Compatible with existing military kit

Designers that aim to fill a military role and are devoted to the intention of that design have the best claim to the marketing term 'tactical' in my opinion. They will consider a list like this, and make a compromise based on each feature depending on its perceived importance. A point that is capable of stabbing is probably the primary consideration, followed by ruggedness / ergonomics, etc. Corrosion resistance is at least important enough for Stainless Steels or corrosion resistant coatings to be considered; and it is a welcome aspect of engineering that coatings like Cerakote are non-glare and resistant to corrosion. A 4"+ blade is extremely important because vital organs and blood vessels aren't on the surface of your skin, and since combat is either the primary consideration or an important dual application consideration (such as a knife that is made for medics or paratroopers, combat effectiveness will almost always be a strong secondary consideration in the development of a product).

A good example would be CRK's Green Beret. He set out with the intent to produce a combat effective fixed blade, and that intent is evident in the blade's design. It has a drop point for stabbing, utilizes a high end steel for improved edge retention, compromises its hardness with additional tempering for toughness; in addition to the highly corrosion resistant stainless S35V, it is also coated with KG Gun Coat for added corrosion resistance and a matte non-reflective finish. The knife must be capable of handling as wide of a variety of cutting chores as effectively as possible while retaining the majority of the combat effectiveness (fighting) of a Fairbarn-Sykes dagger. The best part of the design in my opinion is the ergonomics of the handle, which does not lend itself to preparing vegetables for a meal, but offer superb retention capabilities through design and materials. The full-thick tang makes the knife rugged, and the Micarta scales are ideal for a combat ready weapon. Soldiers are fairly rough on their equipment, and need equipment that is designed to accept some abuse. Chris Reeve succeeded in his mission because when tested, the very soldiers the knife was designed for opted for his design over 100 others. It doesn't mean it's the best knife in the world, just that it was developed with intent, and used design to meet as many prescribed attributes weighted for importance as possible as effectively as possible. What is telling here is that you won't see CRK calling the Green Beret 'Tactical' in their marketing (at least I don't think so, I might be wrong there). They may target people looking for a tactical knife in their marketing, but including that term puts them in the same boat as manufacturers like M-Tech, and may hurt the perception of their product by association. The word tactical is a marketing term, just like Christmas is a holiday invented by retailers. For what it's worth though, most of us know what the word implies, and can make a rough assumption of knives that would be included under that umbrella term. Modern, black, pointy blades from manufacturers that target the people that watch walking dead and own AR-15s.

The most devoted use of the word 'tactical' to describe a knife is one that is built using the aforementioned method of applying features and design to meet the needs of a modern soldier. The problem is that all design is a compromise, and different professions, even within the army, need a different feature set to be most effective. Soliders also need to be adaptable, and specific features will be more important for specific missions (if I was carrying a knife specifically to take out sentries during a covert mission, the knife I would select would be different than the knife I wold need to jump out of a plane) so several knives with dramatically different features and design can all meet that criteria.... then there's the fact that by definition, tactical has absolutely nothing to do with the design of knives, is a marketing term, and is used widely (and more often) by manufacturers that would never be considered for military use.
 
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I think there may be a million dollar idea here; the "Butter-tac" and the slightly lighter model the "Margarine-ator", complete with kydex neckers and Molle adaptable clips. They feature ergonomic one piece construction and a specially developed anti-crumb finish. Optional 'PB&J' camo available at extra cost. On the parallel universe developed TV show, our hero is dropped into a suburban household kitchen in his slightly stained skivvies (combat patina), with only the 'Butter-tac', a fully stocked pantry and a loaded refrigerator. His mission is to complete a series of complicated nutrition 'prepper'-ations before the time runs out and the commercial break is over...but wait! there's forced drama with an offscreen crashing noise and bleeped expletives! .......
 
in the past week I've used tactical:
Butter knives
steak knives
SAK Classic
Sog Blink
Kershaw Leek
and a trusty plastic knife

No living beings were harmed in the use of any of these tactical blades.
 
I guess it is an age thing. Perhaps the answer is inspired by movies or video games. All my life I have had hunting knives, boot knives and machetes. Occasionally someone had a knife made for fighting such as a Sykes-Fairburn dagger or a Gerber MK-I. Sometime in the 70's we started hearing about "survival knives" all the time. But since about the turn of the millenium, I have started hearing about this or that "tactical knife." And half the knives available are called "tactical."

What makes a knife "tactical" rather than what we would have just called a "fighter." Are there specific characteristics or is it all marketing??

I think your references to past knives helps establish the right framework for the discussion, actually.

As you correctly note, there have been a lot of knives over the years that have had design decisions made to optimize them for fighting purposes. In this loose sense, I think any knife that has design elements optimized for fighting is "tactical" in that sense. In this very broad sense, I think the tactical label is being used as a more modern variant of "army" or "military". It gets applied to all sorts of thing that we older guys might have once called "military" or "army", as in a "tatical pack", "tactical pants", "tactical boots" and so on. So this is one thing going on.

And, I think we can agree that there a some knives that are "watershed" designs that really kick off and spawn whole new movements and knock-offs.

The Marbles Ideal is often pointed to like that. The Skykes-Fairburn style that you referenced is another. The original Russell Barlow might not be the first Barlow but by most accounts was the watershed for that pattern. The classic Buck 110 is really "the" lockback that started it all.

In this vien, I think the Spyderco CO1 Worker is the prototye for the modern tactical folder.
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Spyderco claims to be the first to use the thumb hole for fast blade deployment; essentially circumventing many laws meant to exclude switchblades. The pocket clip is another tactical (as made for fighting) feature allowing the knife to put in multiple places so it could quickly be reached when needed.

In this sense, I think the term "tactical folder" is more than just a market label for "military-style". In this case, I think that:

tactical folder = in the style of a Spyderco CO1 Worker.

In this sense, it's roughly equivalant to the term Bowie knife, Buck knife or Barlow.
 
I guess it is an age thing. Perhaps the answer is inspired by movies or video games. All my life I have had hunting knives, boot knives and machetes. Occasionally someone had a knife made for fighting such as a Sykes-Fairburn dagger or a Gerber MK-I. Sometime in the 70's we started hearing about "survival knives" all the time. But since about the turn of the millenium, I have started hearing about this or that "tactical knife." And half the knives available are called "tactical."

What makes a knife "tactical" rather than what we would have just called a "fighter." Are there specific characteristics or is it all marketing??

It becomes tactical when you take a traditional design and screw it up like this.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...soL4Bg&usg=AFQjCNGD1kiLCXT9DhW52ZI6QBaShv6w7g
 
Thanks for the thoughts guys,

I sort of suspected that marketing had just run amuck. And yes Pinnah, I hadn't thought about it but the word "tactical" does seem to be used to replace what would have been called "police" or "military" as in boots, backpacks and a thousand other products in the 70's and before. Basically if they color it black it must be "tactical." According to the definition, many of these so called "tactical" knives seem to be more (lol) "strategic" in nature. No particular function, just some kind of overall encompassing mission. You look at the design which incorporates a fighting style blade but with a saw back, a screw driver, balanced for throwing, a bottle opener for your beer and some kind of fire starter all packaged in a scabbard that incorporates wire cutters and a complete kit of some sort. So a butter knife, with no other real function, is much more "tactical" than most of the items advertised that way.
 
Good point Firestrike! A great design screwed up that way hurts the eyes of anyone my age. Ugh! Of course I am still griping about the added crossbolt safety buttons they added to the lever actions 25 years ago.
 
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