What makes a quality knife??

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So I’m pretty new to the knife game. I’ve carried a knife since I was five but only gotten into the construction and custom knives in the last year or so.

So my question is what makes a quality knife? Is it the metal? The type of grind? Steel used? Handle material? Artwork involved?

Obviously some knives are made by people with vastly higher skills than others. I guess my real question is what separates a knife made from a blank off knifekits.com from a knife that is custom done? ....aside from the artistic abilities of the maker.

I hope that makes sense as a question. Really I’m curious why can I get a loveless style blank made from 420 stainless for about $40 while my actual loveless style knife cost me about $1000
 
There was another thread here recently asking the same or similar question.
I'll see if I can find it.

Off hand I would say precission of parts fit up and long term durability. That and polish and pretty of the individual parts and hopefully in most cases superior thinness behind the edge and better heat treat.
 
Man that's a complicated question with a lot of variables.

You have to start with your base material - what type of steel are you using? There's a HUGE difference in cost between, say 5160, and CPM-3V. Then there's the handle scales: G10 is aheullva lot cheaper than carbon fiber, for example.

After the base material, you have the time and work put into it, as well as the quality or lack thereof. Cold Steel mass produces almost everything they make, while Dawson Knives or RMJ Tactical, are small American-based companies that do all their own work by hand. You're going to pay more for the latter, but in most cases, you'll also be getting a better quality knife. This area is tricky, though. Some companies, such as Bark River, are very reasonably priced solid knives, while companies such as Medford, are often overpriced in my opinion.

I don't think you can compare the cost of base materials to the finished product, though - it completely ignores the artistry and craftmanship behind the knife.
 
Well this is a very subjective question because we all have different standards for edge retention...ect.

I think we can all agree however that a knife's job is to cut things, it should cut well, and it should hold up over time to it's designed work.
We may not all care if a knife holds an edge forever, but nobody wants a knife that completely dulls in minutes of use.

I'd say these are the very basic necessities of a knife that most would agree on, beyond that it's about perceived value for the price.
The fit and finish should also reflect or surpass price in most cases.
 
For me the two major factors are edge retention (because I am unskilled at sharpening) and fit&finish. Lesser factors include handle comfort, materials, and visual aesthetics. I think a quality budget blade will have the two former, and a really great knife has all of them.
 
A comfortable handle
Good heat treatment/temper for intended range of use
Good geometry for intended range of use
No flimsy aspects


Raw materials way down the list.
 
Your 40$ knife was mass manufactured. The original was made by hand with premium materials, custom heat treatment and a higher fit and finish quality. The custom took the maker some time to make and time is money.

It varies from knife to knife. High end production folding knives are generally built and designed better. Using higher end materials that are lighter, stronger and longer lasting. And they come at a cost for those upgrades. Designed in cad and cnc'd to precision details. Generally the heat treatment is fairly good but not as good as customs who can take them hrc limits not seen in the production world.

The $20-30 knives are more like $10-15 knives with markup... They tend to have very bad quality control, uneven grinds, poorly sharpened, warped blades, etc at varying degrees. Generally low end steel that requires sharpening often and super soft heat treatment so blades don't break when abused or cheap to replace if they offer a warranty.

The knives on all sides of the pond will cut or be able to be used as a tool for the most part. But there's always improvements to be had at different prices.

One thing to note is, customs you can often choose your materials. Some customs while expensive may still use basic steels. This isn't a problem for everyone but some people think that at the higher costs they better get the best. Some people won't even use them so it may not matter what type of steel... But alot of the market doesn't know there are different types of steel that act differently with different heat treatments. It's all pretty interesting if you dive into it and try different steel types.

Well known makers will charge alot for there time. And people are willing to pay more to get one of quality from a well known maker.
 
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In no order, I'd say:

Handle comfort and material
Blade geometry
Steel choice
Heat treatment
Construction method and hardware
Fit and finish
Sheath material and carry ability

All of those applied to the task the knife will be used for.
 
A comfortable handle
Good heat treatment/temper for intended range of use
Good geometry for intended range of use
No flimsy aspects


Raw materials way down the list.

I think the OP is going even more subtle though. . . . he said :
Really I’m curious why can I get a loveless style blank made from 420 stainless for about $40 while my actual loveless style knife cost me about $1000
 
We could have a thread on "What makes a good sheath?" Opinions differ. I like danglers. Others say they hate them.

An argument is that it's a system knife and sheath.
 
In the knife world, you stop getting better materials above around the $250 price point. At that mark, you’re already getting into M390/20CV/204P blade steel, titanium or CF handles, etc.

Beyond that range, you’re paying for hands-on time, truly noticeable fitment of parts (tight tolerances, everything lines up, you can run fingernails over seams between parts and not feel a catch, etc), and consistently detailed and painstaking finish (no tooling marks or accidents machining marks, flawless grinds and edges, and artistic touches and embellishments).
 
While most answers you are going to get are highly subjective and reflect the individual's opinion of what goes into a well made knife, there are some definite things that are consistent and required that go into the making of any quality knife, independent of opinion. The biggest is getting the details or small stuff right. Fit and finish is a huge indicator of quality. Put another way, the majority of knife makers can get their product to 90% level of professional standards. That is fairly easy and generally gets done in an amount of time and costs that allow for profitability. Raising your product that last 10% can take 2-3 times more time than it took to get to the 90%. And many won't bother. The top producers do bother. They sweat the details.

But there are also makers out there who won't bother getting to 90%. How to spot them? Do the parts line up? Are there small gaps between the frame, or the tang and the scales? If there are, that means the maker didn't make sure the scales and metal were both perfectly flat before joining them. How is the edge? Is it sharp? You would be amazed at how dull some knives come off the production line. Is the finish smooth and even? Any rough spots? Sharp edges that aren't the blade edge? Color differences, scratches, pitting, cracks, in the scales? The Layers? The Blades? If it is a folder, how is the W&T or does it flip open smoothly? Is there lock stick? Does the dent feel right? Does the Sheath quality match up with the knife quality or does it seem like an afterthought, or the place that the maker made up his profit margin?

Is the knife well made for it's intended purpose? If you bought a filet knife that has zero flex in the blade, you bought a poor filet knife. Is the choice of steel used, a good choice for it's intended use? If someone tries to sell you a saltwater dive knife made of O1, run from the deal! If the intent of the knife is to be a modern EDC, then it should generally come in one of the premium steels. If only because that is what the quality knives have right now for modern EDC. A top quality traditional knife can have a steel like 1095 and be top notch. A modern EDC, not as likely to pull it off if only because it is not SS, and as high of edge retention. For the category, modern EDC, it needs a SS Super Steel because that is what the market is requiring to be considered a good quality modern EDC.

The flip side of a lot of this is that you can't just use the type of steel the knife is made out of, as a determination of quality. Buck uses 420 steel in a lot of their knifes. 420 is generally a low end steel. But Buck's heat treat process squeezes every bit of performance out of the steel that is there. They make a quality product with a low end steel. There are plenty of examples of poor quality knives made with super steels. The manufacturers know consumers often make a buying decision based solely the steel. Expensive steel? Has to be a quality knife right? No, it only means it is a more expensive knife. The quality never showed up in the overall construction of the knife. A crappy knife in M390 is going to sell for more money than the same crappy knife made out of 440A. Good way to improve your profit margins without having to mess with things like fit and finish.

How does the knife compare to other offerings in its price range? Mora makes a high value, well made product. Is a $15 companion, just as good as a $300 Fallkniven F1 Pro.? No. But they are BOTH well made knives. The bang for the buck comes into play here. You can't expect a $30 Kershaw to have the fit and finish of a CRK. That is not who you should be comparing it to. How does it stack up to other $30 knives out on the market? Is it better than the majority out there? THAT is a determination of a well made knife. You can only put so much into making a $50 knife. before it become impossible to produce at a profit. There are companies that produce a truly great well made $50 knife. Don't compare it to a $1000 custom job. Although some $1000 customs may not bear up under the scrutiny.

Some things that ARE NOT indications of quality:
edge retention - There are a host of factors that go into producing a high edge retention. The biggest of which is what was the manufacturers intent. Did they intend to make a blade that held a sharp edge for a long time. Great, but that is not the be all end all. Some makers think their customers want a knife that is easy to sharpen, and don't have to go out and buy 2-3 diamond stones to put the edge back on their blade. Some consumers prefer to have a knife that comes back to life after only a few passes on a Arkansas stone. A quality knife will have the edge retention in line with the purpose and intent of the knife. Edge retention, and steel type will be carefully weighed with blade design, edge geometry, heat treat, knife style and purpose. It is a big balancing act and a quality knife maker will take the time to make those proper choices and test it out.

The feel in your hand - entirely subjective. I just bought a beautiful Hess Bird & Trout knife. Well made quality product. Can't get all 4 of my fingers on the handle. Everyone's hand size and preferences are different. You can have well made that doesn't fit you but fits perfectly on someone else. Not an indicator of quality. Likewise, the "heft" of a knife can be deceiving. A heavy or substantial knife maybe viewed as well made, hence the trend in overbuilt folders in America. But a really light knife can be a thing of beauty and be perfect in every respect. Top quality it not determined by weight.

The design - By that I mean the general look, appearance or ornamentation of Zero indication of quality. That part of design is all about catching the eye of the consumer. For further info, see "Gas Station Knife". The other aspect of design, constructed for a purpose is a indication of quality. Bob Loveless' Drop Point, Opinel's ring lock, Grohmann's Canadian knife are 3 examples of stunning design, strokes of genius in providing the desired results of the knife maker. In the 3 mentioned, the benefits are respectively - ease of dressing game without cutting into the entrails, Simple effective design that lowered production costs, balance in the hand and ease of slicing.

Price - Some very expensive knives have some very inexcusable flaws and defects. As the German's say, "All that glitters is not gold".

The Guarantee - They can say what they want on the package. Getting them to honor it is an entirely different thing. You actually have to look to find a maker that doesn't have Limited Lifetime Warranty on their products. OF the 100+ knives in my collection right now, I have 2 that have a 2 year warranty, 1 with a 5 yr. and one more that is against "manufacturers defects". All the rest to my knowledge are lifetime or limited lifetime warranties. No I am not going to name the 4. :)
 
Some would say it's the intangible things about the knife that really make it stand out:

The psychological reaction of any man, when he first takes the smatchet in his hand is full justification for its recommendation as a fighting weapon. He will immediately register all the essential qualities of a good soldier - confidence, determination, and aggressiveness. Its balance, weight and killing power, with the point, edge or pommel, combined with the extremely simple training necessary to become efficient in its use, make it the ideal personal weapon for all those not armed with a rifle and bayonet.

And jimping. Lots of jimping.
 
Some would say it's the intangible things about the knife that really make it stand out:

The psychological reaction of any man, when he first takes the smatchet in his hand is full justification for its recommendation as a fighting weapon. He will immediately register all the essential qualities of a good soldier - confidence, determination, and aggressiveness. Its balance, weight and killing power, with the point, edge or pommel, combined with the extremely simple training necessary to become efficient in its use, make it the ideal personal weapon for all those not armed with a rifle and bayonet.

And jimping. Lots of jimping.
And how close to true black the coating is.

In all seriousness, there is no real answer. There are really good knives for cheap, and utter garbage sold for thousands. A good knife does the job the maker/designer set out to accomplish, or the job that you need it to do. You will find many knives that "should be good" but have a flaw, small knives too thick to be slicey, thick knives with handles that can't take abuse, long knives with poor balance, that sort of thing. Once you have found a knife that does what it is intended, and what you need, then value is a secondary, though important question. All I can say is, a knife is worth what someone will pay for it. A lot of guys grumble at a price on a knife they want but can't afford. That's life. Its as simple as that, and as complex as world economics, but having a sharp knife the moment you need it, what's that worth to you?
 
I truly think its a diminishing return. I see all the time people saying if a knife uses "quality " "premium" steel it will demand a higher price. but if you look at the cost of "low end" steel like 440c and "high end" steel like oh I don't know S30V or M390 or whatever and the amount used in a relatively small thing like a knife is the cost difference really that much? so a piece of 440c costs lets say $5 and a piece of S30V is $10. does that warrant a consumer price increase of $50? or $200?

We all know everything made in USA is gonna be more expensive . it costs more to employ people here and that's what you are truly paying for. A custom maker is trying to make a living on a small scale. they have skills and there are only so many hours in the day. But are you truly getting more quality from a custom "handmade" knife? I don't know . as stated its subjective. The value is what the buyer sees in it.

I recently finally received a "custom" "handmade" knife I wont mention the maker. Now this wasn't an $800 piece it was $150.
for me that's a lot. for most here it isn't. Its unique and made to my specs . the steel is Nitro V which is considered "inexpensive" but has great qualities at least that's my opinion. overall I think I got my moneys worth . there are issues. the screws holding the handle slabs on are not even. they were supposed to be recessed or "flush " and each one is a different height. the sheath is crap. bad retention and the maker didn't clean it out properly after making it. the first time I drew the knife out something inside "assuming grit from sanding" scratched the blade. the scratch is very noticeable because the main blade grind has a high polished finish and I had asked for the whole knife to be acid washed/stonewashed. But what can I expect for $150 from a guy running the whole show solo? I doubt his profit margin is $60 at best . so I let the small things go and enjoy the knife. I get a lot of enjoyment from buying things from small shops and the little guy who invests his soul in the work

what really gets me is what I see as a bit of deception in the knife world these days. I see knifemakers making the transition from actually handmaking a knife to using automated machinery and/or outsourcing much of the work and still putting their now "valued" logo or mark on the knife and demanding high prices . I even caught a supposed "knife maker " lying by originally telling me anything with his logo on it is made by him in his shop and then later on admit that the knife he sent me probably had the issues it did because of the shop he was outsourcing the work to . and guess what the knife had his logo on it. would I still buy a knife from him? yeah but I would look more at the price being demanded and make my decision with a grain of salt.

I think a company like Cold Steel is giving consumers a lot of bang for their buck and you are making a better investment of your hard earned money by getting a knife from Cold Steel or Spyderco than a custom maker . Unless for you the value is in the makers name and status of owning their product. I have to say I prefer to buy "made in America" products because it appeals to me on a core level of some sort. But I know I am paying more for that concept not the quality of the product necessarily.
 
I hope that makes sense as a question. Really I’m curious why can I get a loveless style blank made from 420 stainless for about $40 while my actual loveless style knife cost me about $1000

Because Loveless made it himself and has sinced passed on, so low availability, and the 420J* blank is stamped/laser/water jet cut and still needs someone to put their time and effort into it.

That $40 blank is just that. A blank that needs heat treat, TLC and elbow grease.

*Not going into the steel aspect alone that can drive up costs in this comparison so it can be an S90V blank for all its worh.

It is the same reason any manufactured knife is generally cheaper than the custom. Making something by hand is time consuming. One pays for time. I also expect the custom to have better geometry, heat treat, fit and finnish.

That said the lines are blurry between mid-tech/custom. Hence a maker needs to be open about his process so the customer can decide for themselves if it is worth it or not.
 
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Some would say it's the intangible things about the knife that really make it stand out:

The psychological reaction of any man, when he first takes the smatchet in his hand is full justification for its recommendation as a fighting weapon. He will immediately register all the essential qualities of a good soldier - confidence, determination, and aggressiveness. Its balance, weight and killing power, with the point, edge or pommel, combined with the extremely simple training necessary to become efficient in its use, make it the ideal personal weapon for all those not armed with a rifle and bayonet.

And jimping. Lots of jimping.

And jimping is expensive!!
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