What kinds of Spyderco Manixes can we expect in 2012? There was a post in the Spyderco.com forum that mentioned a Manix, similar to the original, would be made but with an upgraded lockback style lock. A while back there was also discussion of an XL Manix. Can any details be shared? Blade length and thickness, lock type, steel used?
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What Manixes are coming out in 2012?
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I would definitely be down for one.
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Those knives will probably be made but no one knows when they will be released. They may be nothing more than a thought and that means it could be years before they are made. Spyderco doesn't give release dates because people get upset if they are late. Normally a new knife model shows up when stores start getting them and they start popping up on eBay.
I think the lightweight Manix is due any time (and may already be out?) and there may be a few other Sprint runs with different steel though I'm not sure. I'm sure someone else will chime in if there are any others that are definite.
I think the lightweight Manix is due any time (and may already be out?) and there may be a few other Sprint runs with different steel though I'm not sure. I'm sure someone else will chime in if there are any others that are definite.
I was hoping the rerelease of the Original Manix with upgraded lockback and the XL Manix were coming out next year. The Original Manix rerelease is supposed to benefit from the upgrade made to the Native 5? Does anyone know what is new about the Native 5 lock? I read something about a different kind of metal cutting method to improve tolerances but the Original Manix locked up just fine to me and still locks up well even after 100s of openings/closing As far as the XL Manix goes, I thought Sal Glesser said "Not giant;" I hope he doesn't consider a 5" blade giant but 4.5" of edge plus choil is good for me
What kind of lock would you like to see on the XL Manix?
What kind of lock would you like to see on the XL Manix?
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I know most people won't agree but I bet the CBBL is stronger than the back lock of the original Manix. The original was heavy and I think that heft gives most people the sensation of being stronger. In fact I think the new Manix is in a stronger lock rating than the original. As long as the new bushing system is well loc tited so that the blade can't loosen up and cause the tolerances to increase, the CBBL should be very strong. I don't feel the need to beat on my knives but I have battoned with my S90V/CF Manix 2 just because I trust the lock and it held up fine.
So I wouldn't mind the XL keeping the CBBL, especially if the lock gets XL too. A compression lock would be good too. Like I said most won't agree with me but I don't think Spyderco would have worked so hard to refine the Manix 2 if the lock wasn't as strong, or most likely, stronger. From an engineering standpoint the CBBL should be stronger since it uses a stop pin of sorts, which really handles forces better than knives that don't use one. That is why the Triad is supposed to be so strong, because of the addition of a stop pin that a regular back lock just doesn't have even though it uses some heavy parts in the original.
So I wouldn't mind the XL keeping the CBBL, especially if the lock gets XL too. A compression lock would be good too. Like I said most won't agree with me but I don't think Spyderco would have worked so hard to refine the Manix 2 if the lock wasn't as strong, or most likely, stronger. From an engineering standpoint the CBBL should be stronger since it uses a stop pin of sorts, which really handles forces better than knives that don't use one. That is why the Triad is supposed to be so strong, because of the addition of a stop pin that a regular back lock just doesn't have even though it uses some heavy parts in the original.
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The forces handled by the stop pin are taken by the stop bar pivot in the case of a lockback. What difference does it make?
Andrew Demko has designed a variation of the lockback which, from the reviews i've read, is very strong. I just wonder if a "classic" lockback made by A. Demko wouldn't be as strong.
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It can't be. In a simple lockback the part that does the locking also takes the force of the blade tang closing, or of chopping action. I've never had a lockback that didn't develop play over time.
In the Tri-Ad lock, the stop pin takes all the force of closing/chopping, while the locking lever only locks the blade. In addition, the blade tang and locking lever are designed with wear in mind.
So while they seem to function identically from the outside, they really are two different type of locks.
Having said that, I recently sharpened a friend's Pohl Force Alpha One, and it is the most rugged backlock I ever saw. Solid as a rock. Still, I'd like to see what happens if I chopped brancheswith it for an hour or two...
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Philwar,
You make there a valid point. I use an original Manix, it wouldn't come to my mind to chop with a 4" folder anyway. Allright, say a lock with a stop pin is stronger than a lockback, say it can take a strength of 9 on a scale of 10 while a lockback can take 6. I'm pretty sure it would be hard for a nervous well fed youngster to put more than 5 on the knife.
But i'm partial there, i do like lockback knives, they never failed on me.
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Never failed on me either. I was just saying.
I don't buy lockbacks anymore, however, for the exact reason I stated. They develop blade play sooner or later. Even the Manix did. So did the Police 3. There's just better alternatives, IMHO.
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The pivot on most lockbacks is quite a bit smaller, and weaker, than the average stop pin. The pivot pin can also deform the hole in the lockbar which will make the hole bigger in the lock which will cause slop and play in the blade.
The Triad lock is what Demko designed and is what I mentioned above. It is a lockback with a stop pin added. Obviously it makes a big difference or everyone wouldn't be making such a big fuss over how strong it is. I doubt a regular lockback made by Demko would be anywhere near as strong unless built freakishly oversized. If it was he would be making videos of him standing on a regular lockback and hanging a smallblock from the blade.
All locks that use a stop pin transfer forces to the liners in a similar way. They should all be similar in strength.
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Assuming similar materials in quality and size, and similar build quality, I would agree. Wether they're all equally reliable and able to stand up to serious use over time is more a function of their basic design.
It will be interesting to see where they all go.