What should the ABS focus on?

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The ABS has limited resources. They are membership and show / hammer-in fees, and (at least as important), some time commitment volunteered by members (and their wives, quite often).

How should the ABS allocate those resources, in your opinion? Traditionally, they do classes, hammer-ins, the Reno show, the magazine, etc. What else do you think would be useful?

Personally, I think that one of the areas which is most in need of attention is to evangelize the custom knife to other craft / art enthusiasts / collectors. Easier said than done, of course...

JD
 
Great question Joss and I agree with your thoughts, here's another.

The ABS needs a TV show on the Discovery Channel, much like the Custom Motorcycle and Hot Rod shows :thumbup:

The ABS has already guaranted the future of the forged blade, now we need to focus on bringing in more collectors and knife users, more exposure to the main stream and art world.
 
They also get funds from donated knives that are auctioned at Blade and from cash donations.

One thing they need to do is to provide their membership a yearly membership directory. This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. The last directory was put together in 2001. That is five years ago. There are many more Bladesmith members now and except for the Mastersmiths that have their info on the website, there is no contact info for Journeyman and Apprentice smiths. The directory makes it much easier for collector members to contact bladesmith members that they are interested in getting knives from. Okay, end of rant.

I agree that the ABS should do everything it can to promote the forged blade as an art form. Maybe putting on some shows at art galleries of some high art, or possibly period pieces, would be one way to go. Of course, there would have to be research done to find out if there is enough interest in the art community to make these shows worthwhile. If not, a lot of time, effort and possibly money would have to be invested to develop this interest. This may be beyond the scope of the ABS as it is today. It may well be that individual members will have start to work within the art community and slowly bring awareness that many of their knives truely are works of art.
 
sunfishman said:
The ABS needs a TV show on the Discovery Channel, much like the Custom Motorcycle and Hot Rod shows :thumbup:

Great suggestion Mr. Hanson, I would love to see something like this.
Perhaps have a featured maker each week, with a mix of both ABS and Guild members?
 
Keith,
The Knives Annuals e.g Knives 2006, list all ABS members in them. It is not a directory with addresses etc. but at least they are listed.

The ABS has an exhibit of fabulous knives at the Arkansas Historical Museum in Little Rock. It is an accumulation of historic knives as well as great knives from members of the ABS. Anyone who has the chance to see it will not be diappointed.

Jim Treacy
 
No, no, please no TV show.
Television ruins all good things.
(Just look at the Survivorman thread in the Wilderness forum here :D )
It is too easy to fall victim to ratings/agendas/sponsors, etc.
Look at the fishing shows.
Back when Roland Martin, Jerry Mckinnis, Bill Dance started they were shows about fishing. Now they are just long commercials. Just count the product shots :rolleyes:
Now you need a 250hp bass boat, 17 rods and 3 trunks of lures to catch a fish :rolleyes:
I agree with all the other things, especially appealing to the high end art/sculpture crowd. Just not TV pulllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze :D

Now back to the regularly scheduled discussion :D
 
jjtjr said:
Keith,
The Knives Annuals e.g Knives 2006, list all ABS members in them. It is not a directory with addresses etc. but at least they are listed.

Yes, but that list is just about useless. The membership directory really is an excellent resource. The Knifemakers' Guild can do it every year. You would think the ABS could as well.
 
More classes and PR! The open to the public forging clinic we have here in SoCal done by Red St. Cyr is just awesome!

I'd have to agree on the Membership Directory. Hell, after the first year I didn't even get a new card, certificate, nothing! Makes me wonder where my $60 goes. It sure doesn't go into the magazine!
 
jjtjr said:
The ABS has an exhibit of fabulous knives at the Arkansas Historical Museum in Little Rock. It is an accumulation of historic knives as well as great knives from members of the ABS. Anyone who has the chance to see it will not be diappointed.
I've been there, and it is awesome! I just wish there could be more exhibits like that. One on the west coast would be nice.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I agree that the ABS should do everything it can to promote the forged blade as an art form. Maybe putting on some shows at art galleries of some high art, or possibly period pieces, would be one way to go. Of course, there would have to be research done to find out if there is enough interest in the art community to make these shows worthwhile. If not, a lot of time, effort and possibly money would have to be invested to develop this interest. This may be beyond the scope of the ABS as it is today. It may well be that individual members will have start to work within the art community and slowly bring awareness that many of their knives truely are works of art.
The only problem with that is so many ABS members are about functional tools instead of art, and the ones that do art level work are so backlogged with work they can barely make it to knife shows, let alone art galleries!
 
jjtjr said:
The ABS has an exhibit of fabulous knives at the Arkansas Historical Museum in Little Rock.

Of course, Little Rock, AR, might not be the best place to ensure the maximum traffic.:rolleyes:
 
They also would do well to organize more hammer-ins in the West - California is a logical place, but anywhere would work really.
 
I think the idea of a TV program is an excellent one. It needn't be a weekly thing, but even a 3-part series on the history of the forged blade and it's current vibrant life within the ABS would be sure to rech a broader market than any single art show (which is also a good idea).

A Dutch television network did a 1/2 hour documentary on bladesmith Andrew Jordan not all that long ago. it was produced in such a way as to be both comprehensible and interesting to the those not at all versed in field of custom knives. We had some family over for the holidays and I had explained to them my interest in custom forged knives. They more or less got it. Then I played the CD-rom of the program and the REALLY got it. They wanted to SEE my knives and know more about how each was made. Since then, my brother-in-law has been sending me e-mails asking for pics and more info. This is the type of impact that I would hope a well-produced program might have.

Now, as to how a program like that comes into being and who pays for what, I have no idea. But Andrew Jordan probably does.

Roger
 
These suggestions or opinions are really interesting to hear. Some I really agree with some not possible yet. For instance on the TV thing. Just to be a sponser on one of the major hunting shows along with others of course, was $75,000 a year last time I checked. To do your own show, I checked with our states educational network and it was $100,000 per 30 minute show. The ABS just does not have that type of money. If done right an educational lean toward collecting, even using would beneifit our business, but not possible now.
On the gallery thing. Right now I have a showing scheduled for next November at a gallery. The nice pieces for 2005 and 2006 will be what is shown there. From there I am now talking to them and asking for another showing not long after that of makers from the whole state. From there I am now using the fact that I have one in the bucket to jump to a major gallery for a one man show and again will try to bring a second with makers from all over. Most galleries I am finding out do not have things expressively set toward men. Cutlery benifits both sexes but a slant toward men. This could do well. With major places lectures are also involved so there is a good chance that you can reach a nice new audience.
Keith, I dont think there was a price increase for an associate membership. It should still be $30 for that. There has been no price increase at all, just a misprint of price with correction following it. Regular membership has not been increased in a long time.
Yall keep throwing out ideas etc. Good to hear.
 
I agree with Jerry that TV is a pipe dream. Furthermore, I believe it is a media on its way down.

Something that could be done easily with very little money is an online, virtual museum, with large, professional pics of say 5 to 10 knives per maker. This would be a 1-stop URL where we could send our friends and family wondering what gets us going reg. the custom knife world.

For this to be successful, it would have to be done professionally, and *not* a hodge podge of bad, low-res' pictures with no conducting thread.

I think this would be best served as a separate site from the ABS. It needs to be a separate URL than the ABS site, so that it's kept short, basically www.oneword.org.
 
A TV show idea was suggested to me, that I actually think would be super cool. It was suggested TO me, so I think it's okay if I relay the idea.

A bladesmith build-off...

The young "up and comers" (the suggestion was Tom Ferry, Jason Knight, Adam DesRosiers, Terry Primos, Brett Gatlin, and myself) building a set of knives to go up against some of the guys who've done a few rodeos already... like the "Washington crew" (Washington, Arkansas).

Of course this wouldn't be something to cause a riff or mean spirits among the groups... but just for a fun time and some really neat knives in the end.

I guarantee there would be enough colorful language to make it interesting enough!!! :D
 
I would like to see the ABS have a professional website service with some of the features mentioned above.

I stopped paying for the ABS membership when I quickly realized that most all of the knives in the magazine had already been previously shown online. What a waste of paper.

Joss's virtual museum idea is great.

A UBB forum would be nice also with a classifieds section.

Lets get into the 21st century.

Maybe the Little Rock exhibit could be a mobile one and go to 2-3 of the major knife shows each year????? I am not going to little rock.
 
The reason that I belong to the ABS as a collector is not just to look at pictures in the ABS magazine, but to help an organization that I think has benefitted anyone interested in handmade knives whether forged or not. The more information that I have the better my collection will become. The ABS Hammerins are a great way to get this knowledge as well as meet some great people. Anyone who has attended the Moran Hammer-in and been to Bill's shop and seen him forge would agree.
I do think that a webpage that would be a virtual show of ABS knives is a good idea. I think that it would benefit both makers, collectors and the general public.

Jim Treacy
 
jjtjr said:
The reason that I belong to the ABS as a collector is not just to look at pictures in the ABS magazine, but to help an organization that I think has benefitted anyone interested in handmade knives whether forged or not. The more information that I have the better my collection will become. The ABS Hammerins are a great way to get this knowledge as well as meet some great people. Anyone who has attended the Moran Hammer-in and been to Bill's shop and seen him forge would agree.

Jim - I share your sentiments!

Specifically, I wanted my kids to learn first hand about forging steel, making knives and other tools. The ABS hammer-ins have served that purpose better than I could ever have imagined. Before long I and my sons will have attented the two-week introduction to bladesmithing course at the Moran School of Bladesmithing. Every father learns the painful lesson that there comes a time when their kids are less receptive to what a father has to teach. The solution is to get kids in front of other adults who can teach them. The growing ABS Youth Program is of value to me in that way.

Additionally, from the knife collector perspective I need to protect my investment in original W. Scagel knives by supporting the only organization out there that is interested in celebrating Scagel's work and place in history as "the father of modern knifemaking" - namely the ABS.

The ABS has also provided me and many others the chance to meet and observe the work of Bill Moran, a living legend whose profound contributions to the world of custom knives will be greatly magnified in the future. This type of experience is simply not available anywhere else out there.

For anyone interested in American 19th century history, the Bowie knife looms large. Again the ABS has embraced and promoted this area. There is a certain unintended but undeniable connection between the ABS and the ABKA (American Bowie Knife Association), something that has been a real plus for me given my particular interests.

I definitely understand that there is a lot more to the custom knife world than what the ABS represents - a lot of great makers and activities. The ABS will never be all things to all people because in the final analysis the ABS is really all about education. To quote from their web-site:

"Our Commitment...
The American Bladesmith Society, Inc. pledges to diligently, reasonably and responsibly work exclusively for the purposes of promoting and advancing the art and science of the forged blade and other implements. And also to inform and educate the public in respect to bladesmithing, metal forging and heat treating processes, knife and tool design and fabrication, related arts and other areas in which the Society has expertise.

Our History ...
The American Bladesmith Society, Inc. (ABS) was established to preserve and promote the art of bladesmithing and to educate collectors and the public on the qualities of the forged blade.

Since its beginning in 1976, the society has grown to where it is now International in scope. This development is the direct result of the Society's efforts in promoting the forged blade, and to offer an ABS training program that recognizes the unique abilities of its own Bladesmiths. Blades made by Society members are most sought after by collectors, hunter and others, who seek the beauty and quality that is recognized in blades made in this manner.

In May 1988, the first bladesmithing college in the world was opened in Washington, Arkansas. The ABS offers formal training at the college in all aspects of knifemaking by some of the best artists and craftsmen in the country. A wide variety of courses are held annually. The ABS believes that its education efforts have provided the foundation to produce outstanding bladesmiths among its members. The Society also believes it is having a large influence throughout the country, in establishing and recognizing the forged blade as an accepted American art form."


That Jerry Fisk is listening in on this discussion is significant since he is clearly one of the, if not "the" heir apparent to the reins of the ABS in the future. All the good ideas brought up here will undoubtedly get discussed by the ABS board because of Jerry. West coast, member directory, cross-pollenation with the art world, modernized web presence - all make a lot of sense to me.

Forgive me if I sound like a 'cheerleader' for the ABS. It's not that way. It's simply the result of a good fit between my specific interests as a knife enthusiast and the mission of the ABS. I love the whole world of knives, all the organizations, all the magazines, all the shows and all the people. It's all good! Unfortunately, limitations of time an resources prevent me from being able to partake of everything. For that reason I feel fortunate to have discovered the ABS.
 
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