what steel to order?

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in about 3 hours my dad is going to order me some stuff from knifekits.com so he said to find a steel to get. i was looking at steels and i saw A2, W2, cmp 154cm, and cmp S30V. so what steel should i get? im a noobie:rolleyes: and i want to make a hunting/ bushcraft/ survival blade. i was thinking A2 or W2 seemed ok but the stock is .312" thick:eek:... Thats dang thick for a bushcraft blade. so what should i do... i dont want to spend more than like $50 on steel (my dad has bought me enough stuff this year:D)... I am going to order some hidden bolt fasteners so i have something for the handle atleast.
 
If you're sending it out for heat treat, get the 154CM. If you have a kiln, get whichever one you want. If you don't have any heat treating equipment at all, go somewhere else and get some 1080.
 
no i dont have anything to heat treat it with... i was thinking A2 or W2 steel, how would i heat these steels. or what company could i ship these to to have them treated?... i know read the stickys.... (i only have 2 hours till my dad picks up my list to order the stuff)
 
no i dont have anything to heat treat it with... i was thinking A2 or W2 steel, how would i heat these steels. or what company could i ship these to to have them treated?... i know read the stickys.... (i only have 2 hours till my dad picks up my list to order the stuff)

Since you are going to send it out for H/t then I would recommend an air quench steel since more places will do it for you. A2 is an excellant steel which can be air quenched, W2 is not air quench.

I believe that Texas Knife Supply does H/T on air quench steels and would be one possibility. I'm sure there are others but I can't quote you on who off hand.

Gary
 
I would suggest the 154 CM in about 1/8" stock for the use you described. I don't think anyone would doubt that this steel & thickness will make an excellent bushcraft kinife. Good luck.
 
Shipping it out?
Air hardening stainless is easier to find treaters for
A2, ATS 34 154cm, S30V

Doing it yourself, 1084 from Aldo = "Euctiod Steel"
1095, W1 are harder to home HT

Peters does both air and oil quenching,
other do only air quenching

Pick the steel that makes you happiest, somebody will heat treat it for you.


Have you seen this ?

The Standard Reply to Newbies v8

The answer to a 13 year old student is different than to a 40 year old engineer, and you may have a helpful neighbour.
We can often recommend a local supplier, but that depends on where you are.
Fill out your profile with your location (Country and State at least), age, education, employment.

Look at the stickies at the top, many are expired, but not all.

The basic process in the simplest terms

Absolute Cheapskate Way to Start Making Knives-Printable PDF
Absolute Cheapskate Way to Start Making Knives-Website

This is a very detailed set of instructions by Stacy E.Apelt.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694673


Books

A list of books and videos on the KnifeDogs Forum
http://www.knifedogs.com/showthread.php?t=5285

BladeForums - E-books or book previews Google books
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603203

I like:
David Boye-Step by Step Knifemaking
Tim McCreight-Custom Knifemaking: 10 Projects from a Master Craftsman
These are clear, well organized, widely available and inexpensive too.

Knife Design:
On the Google books thread, you can find
Lloyd Harding drawings
and
the Loveless book with large variety of proven classic styles.

Forging Books:
Lorelei Sims-The Backyard Blacksmith
A modern book with great photos for forging in general - no knifemaking.

Jim Hrisoulas- has 3 books on forging knives. Check for the cheaper paperback editions.
The Complete Bladesmith: Forging Your Way To Perfection
The Pattern-Welded Blade: Artistry in Iron
The Master Bladesmith: Advanced Studies in Steel


The $50 knife shop
It is popular, but it confused me for a long time.
Forging is NOT necessary, you can just file and grind everything away to create a knife (stock removal)

The goop quench is total Bull, commercially made quench oils are cheap and easily available, even grocery store canola oil works much better.

Junkyard steels require the skills of an experienced smith to identify the steel and heat treat it properly.
You can buy proper steel like 1084 very cheaply.
(Mentioned in the new edition)

I like cable damascus, but that is an advanced project for an experienced smith and has no place in a beginners book.

The home built grinders are the best thing about the book, but there is now a huge amount of info on home built 2x72 belt grinders on the web.
The revised edition of this book should have included this.


Videos

Heat Treating Basics Video-downloadable
http://www.archive.org/download/gov.ntis.ava08799vnb1/ava08799vnb1_512kb.mp4

Many specific how to knifemaking videos are available.
Some are better than others, but all better than nothing.

The best overall Knifemaking video I have seen is
“Steve Johnson-Making a Sub-Hilt Fighter”

The best video on leather sheath making I have seen is
“Custom Knife Sheaths -Chuck Burrows - Wild Rose”

You can see a list of some older videos and their reviews at this rental company.
They are not the quickest on getting new titles, but some videos are worth buying, some are worth renting…
Rental wait times are measured in months, buying is MUCH faster, but more costly.
http://smartflix.com/store/category/9/Knifemaking

Green Pete's Free Video
Making a Mora bushcraft knife, -stock removal, hand tools, and neo tribal / unplugged heat treat.
"Green Pete" posted it free for those who can use torrent files.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4995247/Greenpete_s__Knifemaking_Basics_-_Make_a_Mora_Bushcraft_Knife
You can also find it on YouTube broken into 4 parts.


Steel
The “welding steel” at Home Depot/Lowes… is useless for knives.
If you want to ship out for heat treating, you can use ATS34, 440C, plus many others.

If you want to heat treat yourself, find some 1070, 1080, 1084,
1084 FG sold by Aldo Bruno is formulated just for knifemaking.

You can find lists of suppliers here
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=699736

Aldo’s website inventory is unreliable, call instead.
http://njsteelbaron.com/


Heat Treating
You do not have to buy a lot of equipment to start with.
You can send out for heat treating, 10 or 15 $ per blade

This is a PDF brochure which gives good general info
http://www.buckknives.com/resources/pdf/Paul_Bos_Brochure.pdf

http://www.petersheattreat.com/
http://www.texasknife.com/vcom/about_us.php
http://www.knifemaker.ca/ (Canadian)
and others


Grinder / Tools

Hand Tools
You can do it all by hand with files and abrasive paper.
The Green Pete video does it this way.

Photo of a nice bevel filing jig .
http://www.flemingknives.com/imagesPrime/FileStation/KPicB007.jpg

Entry Level Grinders
Many makers start with the Sears Craftsman 2x42 belt grinder.


Commercial Production 2 x 72” Belt Grinders
http://www.prometheanknives.com/shop-techniques-3/grinders

Mapp arm
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=466024


DIY 2 x 72” Belt Grinders

KMG Clone
Free Plans
http://www.dfoggknives.com/PDF/GrinderPlans.pdf

NWG No Weld Grinder
http://www.usaknifemaker.com/plans-for-the-no-weld-grinder-sander-nearly-50-pages-p-723.html

EERF Grinder (EERF =“Free” backwards)
Free plans
http://wilmontgrinders.com/EERFGrinder.aspx
http://blindhogg.com/blueprints.html

Buy the kit
http://polarbearforge.com/grinder_kit.html
 
I chose A2 since i think it should be durable for what i want to do... i also bought micarta scales for it and some handle fasteners... also some tubing for a lanyard hole
 
Shipping it out?
Air hardening stainless is easier to find treaters for
A2, ATS 34 154cm, S30V

Just to clarify for the newbie: "Air hardening *or* stainless".

In particular: A2 is an excellent air hardening tool steel that is used
by a number of makers including myself. It is definitely not stainless.

BTW: I agree with the rest of your suggestion but will add another
newbie warning: Starting with S30V or D2 will give you first hand
experience of the definition of "abrasion resistant tool steel"...
 
Knifekits is a good company, but get the catalogs from Texas Knife Supply and Jantz. They carry a lot more items and supplies for the makers. There are dozens of other good supply companies,too. See the list in the stickys.

I would recommend CPM154, 1/8"X1.25"X 18" bar. You will get two knives from that bar. Send to Texas Knife supply, and have cryo done as part of the HT.
 
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