What would an "historical" Arthur have looked like?

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My rather irritable post on John Lundemo's Odinblades's sword offerings has led me to post this question. I am very aware that most people consider Arthur to have been no more than a myth, but there are some historical indications that there was a war leader of the Britons who was able to unite them in the west of the Greater British Island in order to better resist the invading Teutonic tribes, largely Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. I may joke about my re-enacting a peaceable settler in the manner of the Europeans who settled North America when I am re-enacting Anglo-Saxons of this period, but the truth is that it was a time of exceeding violence and of ethnic clearing in the modern sense, resulting in the original Britons, a blend of Romans, Celts, and whoever else remained of the Roman Empire after its collapse in its Province of Britannia, being pushed into the fringes. These fringes were the less arable, less desirable, lands of Wales, the Scottish Highlands, some of Cornwall, Eire, and the Britanny Peninsula of France to which a number of Britons had fled for refuge.

Somewhere in the late 5th Century, the onrushing change from Britain to England was temporarily halted in the West Country and even pushed back a bit by what appears to be a war leader of some exceptional ability. He appears in Welsh sagas and in some Pictish legends as well. The name that appears is frequently some Celtic form of "Arthur" and it is never clear just exactly what his role was, whether king or war leader, in Latin, the language still frequently spoken by the Britons at that time, "Dux Bellorum", or "War Duke". There are some references to his using Late Roman or Sarmatian style heavy cavalry in the open country east of the hills bordering the Welsh Mountains, a reasonable consideration IMNSHO, for there had been a substantial contingent of Sarmatian heavy cavalry resident in Britain ever since the reign of Marcus Aurelius who had sent them there after forcing their submission in the mid-2nd Century CE. It is also known that the later Emperor-to-be Theodosius I had brought a Field Army into Britain in 369 CE. These Field Armies had a strong core of heavy cavalry, so the Britons would have seen their effectiveness, especially against infantry such as predominated among the Anglo-Saxon invaders.

So, I can easily visualize a war leader, whether king or Dux Bellorum, with a large force of heavy cavalry as his basic military force. Such a leader would have been able to use the infantry provided by the local strong men to form the rest of his army to guard his flanks and to provide the logistics, but his "arm of decision" would be his heavy cavalry, just as it was for the Late Romans and the Byzantines. If you wish to see what such a cavalryman might have looked like, look up "cataphract" or "clibanarius" in any book or website on Roman military history. These were heavily armored and armed troopers. They usually had some form of cuirass, either of mail or lamellar construction, sometimes both. They wore helmets that covered their whole heads and necks, complete with some form of face protection. They carried large shields, usually circular but sometimes oval, and sometimes dished. They had a central grip protected by an umbo and were frequently made of plys of wood glued together and were covered by leather and edged in rawhide or metal. There may have been a strap to go over the arm just below the elbow. They also carried a spatha, a long slashing sword, sometimes a short stabbing sword or a long dagger, and a contus or lance which was usually about 16-20 feet long and made of a durable but light wood and tipped at both ends with sharp iron points. These were not used in the underarm couched style of the Middle Ages but were wielded overhand in a stabbing motion so as the reach over the opponent's shield. The cavalry could also carry a weighted dart that they would lob up into the air toward the enemy as they charged, causing considerable havoc when and wherever they landed. These were called "martiobarbuli" or "plumbata", the latter from the lead weight that they used to gain impact force. Of course, it took a very powerful horse to carry all of this and considerable training for both horse and man to be effective in the role.

As you can see, all of this would have been quite expensive to establish and to maintain. I can only assume that the "Arthur" character had the wherewithal to begin the process and he had used the common practice of the time to surround himself with "Companions" who swore oaths of loyalty to his person and not to any state or king. This would have been the origin, I believe, of the "Knights of the Round Table". And many of these Companions may well have supplied their own horses and equipment originally, as the stories imply that they came from noble or wealthy backgrounds themselves.

So, here is how I visualize Arthur. He is a powerfully built man, tall for his age, maybe more than 6 feet tall. He would be dressed as a Late Roman magnate in a quality tunica and braccae with sturdy boots of some type, perhaps using the leg wrapping that was quite common throughout the period (think WWI puttees). He would have worn a heavy cloak similar to the Roman sagum, a heavy woolen item that is about 9' long by 5' wide. It may be doubled and pinned over the shoulder to make a cloak that is quite water resistant in my experience, or may be wrapped around the body in bitter cold as a blanket. If you do it right, you can pull it over your head as well. It is similar to, but heavier than, the Highland Scot's long plaid and can be worn over armor and weapons as well as over plain clothing without arms. All in all, a very useful item. He might have worn some form of head covering, probably would have in cold or wet weather. This could have taken many forms, from a simple hood to the Pannonian Cap of the Late Roman Empire which could be of simple cloth, of expensive cloth, of plain leather, or of fur and decorated or not, depending upon taste and wealth. There were also, very lilely, some form of padded cap for wear under your helmet which could also be worn without a helmet just as it was later during the Medieval period.

I visualize Arthur's armor as a mail hauberk over a padded subarmalis, a cloth or leather undergarment, with a lamellar cuirass over it. If he didn't wear a mail hauberk beneath the lamellar cuirass, then the subarmalis would have had leather strips attached at the shoulders and at the waist so as to provide protection to the upper arms and to the groin area and to the thighs. Thes leather strips are frequently called "pteruges" or "pteryges" after the feather plumage that they resemble and they can be layered in up to three layers of decreasing lengths as they move outwards. He might have worn some form of leather or metal greaves and lower arm proteection, although I might tend toward metal splints attached to straps that bind them to the arm just above the wrist and below the elbow and to the leg just above the ankle and below the knee. These would need to be suitably formed to allow movement of the nearby joints, but that would be a minor problem. The lamellar cuirass would be of metal lames, either iron (steel) or of a worked and annealed bronze, laced together in the Roman style. I do not lean toward scale hauberks as, while they may be cheaper, they are no where nearly as good at protecting the wearer. His helmet would have been based on the Late Roman Sassanian Ridge type of cavalry helm or would have been a spangenhelm of the type quite common all over Europe and Persia at the time. His helm of either type would, of course, have been more elaborate than the very simple and basic ones that the common soldier wore, probably with iron spangens set into a gilded iron frame, with attached iron cheekpieces edged with gilded bronze and engraved, and with a neck-guard attached to the rear of the helmet and made of strips of iron edged in gilded bronze strapped together so as to be flexible. This would have been padded inside and then worn over a padded arming cap. Examples of a basic form of the Ridge hem may be seen at http://www.albionarmorers.com/armor/roman/lateridge.htm and an example of a simple version of the spangenhelm may be seen at http://www.albionarmorers.com/armor/viking/5thcenturyhelm.htm

His weapons would have been a Late Roman type spatha or a similar Germanic type of Migration Era sword. This would have been "Excalibur". For examples, please see TEMPL's Roman Riding Sword and his German Sword "Spatha" at http://www.templ.net/indexe.php?id=14a or look at Albion's Migration Period line at http://www.albionarmorers.com/swords/albion/migration/migration.htm
He would also have carried a short stabbing sword or long dagger or knife. My guess of type would have been a seax of what is called the Frankish style as seen here in the Paul Chen version http://www.renstore.com/cgi-bin/Ren...4b0273f40d40a730605/Product/View/CAS&2D1075GT
He would also have carried the lance and the shield as described, perhaps with some form of Christian device upon the shield, say a "Chi-Rho", since the Cross had yet to come into common use at that time. Of course, it is equally likely that he may have had a Mithraic symbol or a Celtic symbol on his shield, my guess being that it might vary according to what was needed to gather local support at the moment, since he would have bee, above all else, a pragmatic leader of men. He could also have carried some form of axe, my guess being a version of the francisca, the curved headed throwing small axe of the Franks, an example of which may be seen here: http://www.albionarmorers.com/axes/franciscaIshaft.htm

Well, that is my description and my explanation for it. Would anyone else care to hazard their opinion and the reasons for therefore?
 
Hey Hugh,

I wouldn't quibble over your well thought out details. Of course I must say I have been greatly influenced by your previous posts on the subject and have still not spent much time in that particular area of study. Thanks for the fascinating post and just a warning to others you had better know your stuff if you want to poke holes in Hugh's theories. :)
 
i'm right there with you...

it may just be romantic, but i sometimes substitue a well cared for coat of scale (lorica squamata) for the chain mail.

also, just read that Jerry Bruckhiemer (Pirates of the Caribean) just started his next project, a retelling of L'Morte d' Arthur but in a period post roman setting. be interesting to see how authentic they can go while still being "Hollywood"
 
Oh, heck, Triton, why'd you scare everyone off? You make me look an ogre. To quote a certain Klingon in ST:TNG, "I don't bite, at least not much." :D
 
Because, despite Triton's intimidation of people(:D), I don't want to give up on this yet, here is a post that I made last February over in SwordForums, cut and pasted and edited:

What follows is what I have been able to put together from looking into the myths AND the history of the period around 500CE, when there was a pause and even a roll-back of the Germanic invasion of Britain on its way to become England, combined with my opinions and prejudices.

The Arthur myths came out of the early Dark Ages, so called because of how little we used to know of them, not for lack of light!:D We have learned a great deal more over the last few decades and we now tend to call them the Era of Migrations or, as the Germans do, 'Völkerwanderungszeit', "Age of Peoples' Wandering". With greater knowledge, we are better able to pin down what Arthur would have been like, at least in my opinion.

He would have been the product of 300 years of Roman occupation, probably the son of a Late Roman grandee of some sort, most likely military, given the nature of the Late Roman Empire, which had made the implicit military dictatorship of the earlier Empire quite explicit from Diocletian onwards. And the elite units of that military were the heavy cavalry units called cataphracti or clibanarii, depending upon whether their regiments had been founded in the West or the East, respectively. Both were heavily armored, used the kontus (or contus), a 16 to 20 foot lance generally used overhand, not couched as it was in the Middle Ages; the spatha, a sword with a blade about 30" or so long and thought by many to have descended from the Gallic longsword of Julius Caesar's era; a compound bow and arrows carried in a case that we call a "gorytus"; and sometimes axes and/or maces of various sorts. The Western version, the cataphracti, were based upon the Sarmatians, as has been noted(in a prior post), and several units of them were sent to Britannia over the years, the first by Marcus Aurelius sometime before his death in 180CE. They appeared to have stuck around after the last of the legions departed following the ill-fated star of Maxentius Magnus in his effort to claim the throne in the West around 400CE. In 410CE, Aetius, the last Roman Patrician in the West, told Britannia that it needed to look to its own resources for its defense ("The Groans of the Britons"), a not unreasonable position given that Rome was sacked that year.

During all of this period, the Germanic tribes bordering the North Sea were raiding the East Coast of Britain just as the Scotti raiders from Ireland were raiding its West Coast across the Irish Sea and the Picti were raiding South across Hadrian's Wall. It wasn't so much that these people were trying to overthrow the Roman system as much as they wanted in on it and its obvious goodies. But what was not clear to them was that, in pushing aside the authority that had been keeping them out, they also destroyed the unity that made those goodies possible. In the meantime, the problem of the Germanic raiders had become so bad before the Roman withdrawal that the Romans had built extensive fortifications all along Britain's Eastern and, particularly, Southeastern Coast and had appointed a commander for that particular area, the Count of the Saxon Shore, Comes Litoris Saxonici. When the Romans withdrew, the locals inherited these forts and watchtowers, for all of the good that it did them.

Traditionally, the real problem began when Vortigern, the King of what was to become Kent, invited Hengist and Horsa and their Saxon followers to help him fight off the Pict invaders. He then decided not to pay them what he had agreed. Very bad idea! They sent for their counsins, uncles, and everyone else to come on over and help them to claim whatever they wanted. Or so the story goes. It is at this point that Uther Pendragon is elected leader, whether as High King or as War Leader is not known, of a more or less united Britannic folk. They fight for as long as he lives, with middling success, apparently, and then begin to lose it all when he dies, as there is nobody with the charisma to keep them united. At this point, the myths have a very strange intervention by a most strange individual, whether Druid or Prophet is never really clear, but Merlin, or Myrddin, appears and uses a "miracle" to establish a young son of Uther's as the new leader who can unify the Britons. It takes some time for this son, Arthur, to knock heads, but he does and is eventually accepted, at least in the West, where he establishes his stronghold at a rebuilt Celtic hillfort that the myth calls Camelot. There have been any number of candidates suggested for that place, but none proven. In any case, Arthur appears to have surrounded himself with a band of sworn supporters in much the same fashion as any other war leader or king of the time (I believe that this is what they think that the rings attached to swords of the era are for, to connote oath taking) and this band is what we know as the Knights of the Round Table. Given the tradition of Sarmatian cataphracti in Britain, I see these men acting in that role, pretty much as Jack Whyte does in his excellent "Camulod Chronicles" series. After all, given that we know the Saxons to be infantry, think how effective a large band of heavy cavalry would be on, say, the Salisbury Plain. I sure as Hell would not want to have to stand against them, especially if they were backed by effective infantry to support their shock role. When Arthur can no longer hold his followers together, the old Celtic curse of disunity getting the better of them, he is beaten and dies, the myths talk about a battle at Camlann and Arthur dying at the hand of his son, Mordred. That is about as far as I can go with the stories, as the rest are the creations of High Medieval minstrels such as Chretien de Troyes, who introduced all of the, to me, romantic nonsense such as Lancelot and Guinevere, the Holy Grail (probably a wholly different myth-cycle dragged into the Arthur stories by the minstrels), and the Tristram-Iseult business and its like. These were nice tales to please the ladies of a High Medieval court, but they just do not ring true to me, given the Arthur who would have lived in this historical period. And Guinevere certainly does not ring true. Read up on Celtic sword-maidens and on Celtic women in general and tell me then that she would have tolerated either Lancelot OR Arthur and their foolishness.

Finally, to answer your question*, my opinion of what Excalibur would look like is that it would have been a very well crafted, but very workman-like sword, nothing terribly elaborated, as it was intended for battle, not show, and it was undoubtedly pattern-welded, probably folded so many times that it might as well have been homogeneous steel. It may even have been real Damascus, i.e. Wootz steel. I believe that Wootz was being made by then. I have handled a Damascus sword from 800CE, and the owner took the tip and bent it around so that it touched the pommel and then let it gently go back to straight. It was incredible! It was light, sharp, and very, very quick, with a 30" blade and a blue enamled hilt. I would think that the hilt on Excalibur would have looked more like TEMPL's Roman Riding Sword or Albion's new Migration Sword-Type D Hilt than the Kragehul Bog Sword as I should think that it would remain more Roman than German. The scabbard might well have been quite elaborate, covered with gilded plaques and gems, but I don't see the hilt being that way. It was, remember, a working weapon first and foremost.-------

* Roughly, what did Excalibur look like?
 
Hugh,

Sorry I can't get into this discussion with you, but wow, great posts! Thanks for the history lesson...:)

-Jose
 
Sorry Hugh that really wasn't my intent. Just pointing out that you know your stuff.
 
what fascinating posts!

My hobby is archeology and anthropology. I have come across so many references to King Arthur , connections to the Knights Templar, the meaning of the Holy Grail, etc, etc.

The dark ages are in fact because the history of that time has been almost wiped clean. very little reamains of what transpired in that time frame, and rebuilding it is difficult. Did King Arthur exist? there are kernals of truth in all ancient stories, and Myths. he did, what his role was in society is pretty much spelled out in these excellent posts.

thank you for the information, it is well recieved.
 
Research on Arthur is problematic as, like some other people of myth, he might have actually been a combination of several people. IMHO the writings of Sir Thomas Mallory is probably the most accurate account of the person. Even Mallory conceeded that he was drawing from popular ballads of his time and merging them with what was known then. You can find Mallory's account in "Bullfinch's Mythology." Back around 900 or so Mallory was present when the supposed grave of Arthur was opened for inspection. He describes moldering bones and a rusted sword. Then they closed the grave. From this we know the last (he had several, beginning with the one in the stone) sword of Arthur was propably not made of stainless steel. Of course, it should be noted one version of the myth has Arthur (or Lancelot, depending on who is telling the tale) returning the Excaliber sword to the Lady of the Lake (also known as the Lady of the Mist which is more probable given the climate of the Brittany section of France (which was considered part of Britan back then) and which is pivotal to the Arthur myth with it's many caves and valleys filled with fog which looked like lakes from a distance.

As the person Mallory identifies as Arthur lived in the 500s and died in 542 local sword making was not too good back then. Captured and abandoned Roman swords handed down from father to son and were prized and considered far superior to the local products which were often made of pig iron. Steel products were rare. Sword crafters who made products of steel were even rarer (probably worth a raid or two if you stood a chance of capturing one). I believe the secret to understanding Excaliber was in its most renowned feature. I.e., it cut through anything. I don't believe in magic, so the most probable solution is Merlin knew a woman who lived in a fog covered valley whose dad/brother/mate or (maybe even her) made good swords. Excaliber was probably made of steel instead of the more common iron. I am unaware of any surviving swords from that time period and location that were made of folded or twisted metal, so the odds that Excaliber was forged of Damascus are very slim. We now have a steel sword. What makes a sword superior for cutting? Most of the local products and all of the captured Roman Gladius's were straight. What if our local sword maker stumbled one day and produced a curved blade? Would it cut better? Yup. What if he put a different bevel on it than the 60 - 45 degrees the other swords from that era often have, would that help? Yup. Excaliber was probably simply a curved steel sword with a good edge.

If I may diverge, there are multiple versions of the search for the Holy Grail (aka the chalice used by Christ at the last supper). One calls it the Grail, another (Mallory) refers to it as the Mabinogian which we know today as the Shroud of Turin. A more interesting third version considers the story to be a front told to the peasants and local rulers to explain the visiting knights passing through their kingdom and asking questions. According to this version the search was actually for the descendants of a man named Yuz Asaf (Yus Asaph) who spent the last years of his life living in Kashmir and who had several sons and daughters and whose tomb was in Srinagar, India. It was very important to the early Popes that none of those descendants remain least they make a claim. (You have enough clues here to research the rest of the tale and learn of that.)

I reccommend reading Mallory in Bullfinch if you haven't yet. To me Arthur and his knights, as described by Mallory, remind me of an undisciplined gang of bikers, but on horseback. Your opinion may vary.
 
Are you referring to the "Holy Bloodline" doctrine? According to that belief the "Devine Right" of kings comes from the belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had children who later became the Eurpoean nobility of "god-men." There is a recent movie on this called "Revelation" which is actually pretty good though I don't believe the doctrine of the movie. Instead of the Grail or Lance of Longenus they have a simlar object called the Loculus.

In one of the wierd knife catalogs I saw a junky sword that was supposedly a direct copy of the original Excalibur. :rolleyes: If this company that made sword-like objects had access to the original I'm sure archeologists would be very interested.:D
 
Gonna get a little away from swords here so Arthur and his possible role in the history of the Grail can be placed. Sorry about that.

To answer the question, similar concept. T'was the church (via the Popes and the varied envoys to different monarchs) who reaffirmed the Kings were chosen by God and who gave legitimacy to the concept of their succession by an heir by introducing the concept of Traducianism (the doctrine that, in the process of generation, the human spiritual soul is transmitted to the offspring by the parents). The Church had troubles in those early bloody days with sometimes as many as six different people claiming they were Pope at the same time. Friendly kings were important. The individual identified by Malory as King Arthur lived during the reigns of St. Symmachus (498-514), St. Hormisdas (514-23), St. John I (523-26), St. Felix IV (III) (526-30), Boniface II (530-32), John II (533-35), St. Agapetus I (535-36), St. Silverius (536-37), St. Vigilius (537-55). These were the days of the split in the Roman Empire and the Church (i.e., Constantinople), Manichaeans (with their own claims), holy book burnings, Anti-popes, and murdered Popes. (See http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/ for a quick reference on those things.) Still nothing I have found indicates any connection between those particular Pontiffs and a search for a Grail.

What is known... There was a stone chalice called the True Chalice of Our Lord or the Holy Grail or the Santo Caliz. Around 258 The Roman Emperor Valerinius began to confiscate Church property. Pope Sistus II instructed a deacon named Laurence to hide the chalice in a safe place. The deacon gave it to two Spanish soldiers to hide it in Aragon, Spain. Pope Sistus II and the deacon were soon murdered as were several following Popes. The whereabouts of the Chalice and other sacred relics after that are not mentioned for some time. In 311 the Emperors Galerius, Licinius, and Constantine permit the church to recover its property.

(This might be when a search for the Grail began, if a search even happened. This is way before Arthur's birth. I personally doubt the church of those years was capable of mounting a sustained search for anything in those years for between Pope Sistus II and Pope Symmachus there were at least 27 Popes who had varied crisis of more immediate import confronting them (to include the capture and sack of Rome by Goths under Alaric's command).)

Saint Patrick arrived in Ireland as a Bishop in 432. In 497, for the first time a Pope (Anastasius II) condems Traducianism. In 553 the stone chalice is "discovered" to have been kept at the Deacon Laurence's parents home, a farmhouse on the outskirts of Huesca, for almost three centuries and it is placed in the new Cathedral of Huesca in Aragon, Spain. In 712 the Moors invade and again the Grail is moved and hidden. In 777 Charlemagne's army searches for the Grail in Spain but doesn't find it. In 1134 the Church acknowledges the Grail is in San Juan de la Peña. In 1399 the Abbot of S. Juan de la Peña is forced by the King of Aragon to hand it over. In 1437 the King of Navarre sells the Grail back to the Church for 40,000 'gold ducates'. In 1744, "During the Holy Week services, when the Archpriest D. Vicente Frigola is taking the Santo Caliz, it slips out his hands and falls over. The stone chalice breaks into two fragmets. All people being present at the Cathedral were stunned, even D. Vicente who dies a few days later due to the great distress."

What we have is a Grail which was never missing as far as it's owners were concerned. The only connection we see to Arthur and the other knights is that the Pope (Vigilius) who was on the throne the year the church chose to place the Grail in a Catherdral was alive when Arthur was.

The first known mention in popular literature of the Grail's existence is attributed to a French monk around 717 almost 150 years after Arthur's death and during a time the Church was hiding it. By the 13th century it, and the quest to recover it was the subject of ballads and prose. It was then variously described as the plate used in the last supper, but also described variously as a bowl used to catch the blood of Christ in the tomb (the Marian Chalice), and as the cup he passed around at the last supper (the Santo Caliz), and as a jewel, and even as the head of the lance used by Longinus. Some versions of the quest story have Perceval, not Arthur making the quest. Most celtic versions of the tale have the Abbey of Glastonbury playing a role in the tale, hence the storied connection to Arthur. No known early writings of the church mention the search for the Grail by knights of the period encompassed by Arthur's rule.

This opens the door for two immediate schools of thought. One, that it never happened. Two, it happened and the church was pretending for a secret reason that it didn't. Speculation about the possible motives for a secret mission involving soldiers, knights and kings probably led to the tales of the hunt for the children of Yuz Asaf. Clearly the possibility of some kid stepping forward and saying (by right of Traducianism), "thanks for watching the papal throne till I could get here," was not desired by either those holding the "Throne of Peter," nor by the varied backers (i.e, King Thodoric, the Emperor Justintian, etc..) of the different sides in Arthurs time. Hence the hidden third story behind the Grail myth.

See http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/3636/fotoe.htm for some object's whose owners claim are the TRUE grail.

Perhaps we can mount a search all over Britan for the remains of the true Excaliber? Maybe SS spies took it and it is in...
 
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