What would you do? Knife sharpening kit question.

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Hey Guys,
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I own a full set of very expensive Shun kitchen knives and a Shun folding knife along with a Zero Tolerance 560 and a 350 and a Kershaw Leek and a couple of other folders. I am somewhat new to the folding knives although I do all the cooking at home and love my Shuns. I have never really taken sharpening very seriously, ironically until I got my folders which I carry and use daily. I bought a Chef's Choice electric sharpener designed for Japanese knives and it actually sharpens the knives enough to cut a soft tomato easily and cleanly. However, now that I have discovered this aspect to knives, that is collecting them for the sake of having cool precision tools, not to mention expensive.

Question;
I have a quandry and I would love to get some feedback from you guys. I love the idea of sharpening my own knives, but realistically, it should only be maybe once or twice a year other than stropping or honing. I have kind of narrowed it down to the Wicked Edge System if I do go into doing my own sharpening but it is very and I mean very expensive to do it right to the point of perfection.

In the alternative, there is a guy in Seattle who sharpens knives professionally (Albert Evans), not too far from me, although I would still have to UPS them to him. He seems pretty good and he would do it for $1.50 and inch for the folders and $3 for the kitchen knives on whetstones. So, I could have all my knives sharpened for under a hundred dollars once a year and strop them as needed at home.

it would probably cost me about $600 for the complete Wicked System. So about 6 years and no big one time expense. On the other hand, there is the fun and challenge of doing it yourself which I would like. I probably won't be getting any more knives for some time as I just spent about $400 on my new knives and a stop and loupes and a sheath.

So do I lay down the big bucks now and play (I mean learn) to do it myself or have them done professionally for a much smaller yearly amount. I can afford the system although it is a lot of money for me especially after other recent large expenses even more than the knives I mentioned.
 
Easy choice - buy the WES. Sharpen once a year is like changing a sport car tires every 100K miles.

Shun in SG2 or vg-10 steel? Just curious :) or maybe that SG2 blade can take a lower angle than a WES supports, which call for other options.

edit: epicureanedge.com (in kirkland,wa) sharpening service is top notch.
 
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Most of us learn to sharpen on cheap knives and then progress to more expensive ones, simply to save the wear and tear on the expensive steel. You'll need to choose the bevel angles that are optimal for each knife, and they'll all have different grinds and require different degrees of polish to the edges depending on what you need to do with them. If you trust somebody else to make those decisions for you then by all means pay somebody $3 to sharpen your knives. Most of us find that developing the skill to sharpen a knife ourselves is a large part of the joy of knife ownership.

I suspect that if you learn to sharpen your own knives you'll also find that your knives are going to last longer than if you run them through an electric sharpener once in a while or give them to somebody else to work on. I don't know Albert so I can't say what he'll do, but most "professional" knife sharpeners aren't going to take the time that the knife owner would to ensure that the minimum amount of steel is removed during sharpening and that the grind angle is preserved for optimal cutting.

So if they were my knives I'd learn to freehand sharpen because you'll learn a great deal about both knives and sharpening in the process, and then if you still want one buy a sharpening system later on. I like DMT Duosharp diamond bench stones, but you have to be a bit careful with them because the coarser ones will remove steel pretty fast. I understand that this wasn't the answer that you were looking for, but my conscience won't let me tell you to buy an expensive system or hand your knives over to somebody else for sharpening.
 
Thanks Bluntcut and Facier. The Shuns are Damascus blended steels and I believe they use a 16 degree bevel on the edge, so the WE would work. If you use a WEP system, do you find it tedious or fun to use. It seems like the system itself requires a bit of maintenance and cleanup after each use before storage. Also the charges are actually $3 per inch.

I am playing with the notion of using the Japanese whetstones which look interesting. Again, good ones cost so I don't want to buy into a system and change over to another expensive system. They are just too expensive to try and fail. I do have a bunch of cheap knives in the kitchen that I could practice on.
 
I would look at the Edge Pro packages from Chef Knifes to Go.Even
with the awesome Chosera stones options, you would still be way below $600.
Great videos to check out.
Best...
 
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Thanks Bluntcut and Facier. The Shuns are Damascus blended steels and I believe they use a 16 degree bevel on the edge, so the WE would work. If you use a WEP system, do you find it tedious or fun to use. It seems like the system itself requires a bit of maintenance and cleanup after each use before storage. Also the charges are actually $3 per inch.

I am playing with the notion of using the Japanese whetstones which look interesting. Again, good ones cost so I don't want to buy into a system and change over to another expensive system. They are just too expensive to try and fail. I do have a bunch of cheap knives in the kitchen that I could practice on.

So you've Shun Fuji knives, which is SG2 steel core layered by nickel & stainless steel. Freehand with waterstones is an excellent choice for maint these super nice & pricey knives. As many freehanders will chime in - how rewarding it's to learn about knives & sharpening skills with freehand. SG2 can easily take 12 to 14* angle per side.

You can start out with 1K+5K(or 6K)+optional polishing stones and practice on cheap knives + 1 decent vg-10 pocket knife.

Avg: I would get: 1.2K bester + 5K Rika + 8K Kitayama
Top-line: get: 1K Gesshin+6K Gesshin+8K Kitayama (8k from else where)
Al e carte: - pick your set
Note: 8K Kitayama behaves more like 12K polishing stone - search & read
 
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Bluntcut,
Thanks very much for your comments and suggestions. I have been doing quite a bit of internet searching and I am beginning to think that hand sharpening my be the way to go.

I was very interested in your comments as to average and top of the line. What do you base the top of the line and average evaluations on for these two companies. I want the best, but have no idea what makes one companies stones better than another's. I read that Japanese knife imports is a family run small business as opposed to a more established larger company. Are their stones better or is it for the service?

Also anyone who has experience with freehand sharpening with water stones, which company did you order from and can anyone steer me to the "best" stones available?

Thanks
 
I was very interested in your comments as to average and top of the line. What do you base the top of the line and average evaluations on for these two companies. I want the best, but have no idea what makes one companies stones better than another's. I read that Japanese knife imports is a family run small business as opposed to a more established larger company. Are their stones better or is it for the service?

I was referred to stone quality, the Gesshin line is top-line in my perspective (first hand & read knowledge). I usually award my business to company/store that know & use their products along with good reviews. There are many quality waterstones to choose from but not too many store that will take time answer your questions without pushing sales. The first 2 on the list are the exception. I bought knives from the 3rd, no stones yet.

My sharpening style via waterstone is splash water (ok, maybe 1 minute soak), grind away. I just don't like to deal with stones stay wet for a long time - I've a few of that, yep they only see action when I've a lot of knives to sharpen.

If your end goal is to have your sg2 knife cut tomatoes with its own weight, look into strop with diamond or CBN(cubic boron nitride) compound. Why not 15K/20K/50K crazy expensive stones because below 2 micron abrasive, these stones not going to abrade vanadium (2%) in SG2 steel
http://www.zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=SG2
 
Gentlemen.
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Gentlemen.
As we have sharpening service providers whom pay for the right to advertise and do business here you all need to watch the posting and linking of outside vendors whom are not members per forum guidelines and the rules you all agreed to when you signed up here.
please take time to read and understand the forum rules found here:


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/faq.php
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=746&a=98


Also, please take time to look around and place your topics in the appropriate forum/s. General knife discussion is not an all purpose sub-forum.

Got it, sorry - my 2nd :foot: :o

If recurr, I will self-ban.
 
To the OP:

It sounds like you can already get your knives sharp enough for kitchen work any time you want using your Chef's Choice. Congrats on that, as I've read of many consumers that can't. Even a machine requires some technique to use properly.

I consider sharpening to be a craft. It takes skill, technique, and concentration to do it well. I've made a hobby of it. If you're willing to devote a good amount of time to it, you can get good at it, and might enjoy it a lot. If, on the other hand, you're like most people, you'll get discouraged by the lack of immediate results.

I like to say that I've never been a natural talent at anything I've tried. I have to work for progress at anything and sharpening is no exception. It really took time and effort for me to achieve any kind of results. Today the world is different though. Today you have this forum of experts that can help guide you. You have youtube videos. There are actually *good* online resources in print that describe sharpening well. Chad Ward's sharpening tutorial is excellent. Steve Bottorf's Sharpening Made Easy is very good also.

So you've got a good leg up simply based on the information that's out there.

After all this my question is simple: Do you just want sharp knives, or do you want to add a skill/hobby/craft to your life?

Brian.
 
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